splane mentioned the predecessors of the gb at his speach at the annual meeting 2012.. this is too crazy ?!?
they become mad at all!:.
"some of these were archbishop agobard of lyons in the 9th century, peter.
All of those names are in the new WT on the Annual meeting with the disclaimer : We cannot say for sure which are of the anointed.
So I say : We cannot say for sure that the current GB are of the anointed....
I say: for sure they (the current GB) are NOT anointed , and also, they have lost before GOD !
(not my blog, but good for reading says : ... you may search here )
wanting truth
there is much speculation about many aspects of the great tribulation.
since it is in god's word the bible that we are informed of this event, then we should allow him to give us any relevant information regarding that event, if that is his wish.. the scripture tells us, "for the sovereign lord jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets.
" (amos 3:7).
"Once the "man of lawlessness" is revealed, a decisive choice will have to be made by all concerned."
Hi ! I find that you are really a searcher
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i was having a casual conversation with a jw family member yesterday and he mentioned some documentary he had recently watched about the catholic church and its cover up of the child sexual abuse scandal in ireland.
he commented that the church is losing the political influence and control it once had in ireland and that the bible (revelation) prophesised that before the end, people would turn away from babylon the great (false religion).. .
i disagreed and said that i saw no evidence that people are turning away from religion on a global level.
i've just finished an article for randy over on freeminds.org, which i've submitted to him for review.
hopefully it should be online soon, so please keep checking!.
the article discusses the fact that the watch tower society is already in decline, and suggests the year 2005 as the turning point.
Quote:
"The article discusses the fact that the Watch Tower Society is ALREADY in decline, and suggests the year 2005 as the turning point. I'll briefly explain why...
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The rot has already started, and we're in the end-game now. It's only a matter of how long it takes to reach a climax - which for me would be the last printed version of the Watchtower rolling off the press. The Society's influence will never diminish entirely, but it will shrink to almost inconsequential proportions as an organization. I believe that's inevitable. I think they know it.
Cedars
What I find here is truth.
I knew this before because it is written and hidden in God's word (prophecy) .
The organization will visibly "fall" in order for the sincere believers to recognise that it is a part of Babilon the Great and that they must "get out" of her, in order to be saved by God .
on the other hand the Org. (what will remain from it ) will still exist until God will literally put it to end together with all wickedness from this earth .
I can say that in autumn 2005 the following prophetical words have begun to fulfill:
Ezekiel 21:
25. And thou, O deadly wounded wicked one, the prince of Israel, whose day is come, in the time of the iniquity of the end,
26. thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Remove the mitre, and take off the crown; this shall be no more the same;
- exalt that which is low,
- and abase that which is high.
After searching the posts which I linked you may find why 2005 has an importance for God !
wantingtruth
i have been on this site daily, almost from its beginning, since i left the jws in 2001, but i have been more of a reader than a poster, as you can see from my post count.
i know few here know me, although i know many of you through reading your posts.
maybe it is not right to ask for support, when i generally stay quietly in the background of this forum, but i want only to speak a human misery of the deepest kind.
Friend , my english words are not enough to express what I want .
In spite of WT failing , God never fails also His promises / there sure will be a resurrection !
I am thinking now to a song I like , I hope it fits with the situation
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so tonight i get to be graced by the presence of one of the anointed.
last time he visited to help me i told him that i have a problem with the 1914 date.
now obviously every single aspect of this date is wrong, but i started off by asking how come they end it in 537 instead of 539, when the king of babylon obviously received his punishment in 539, as foretold by jeremiah.
"Any suggestions for discussion related on the above? "
If he is a real anointed , he should believe Jesus Christ words !
There is no place for such interpretations and calculations which leads toward years like 1914, 1918, 1925, 1975 ... in Bible .
--- After studying the Bible I came to see/realize that God have ever known that He wrote regarding ancient events in an “hidden way”( Proverbs 25:2 ),
and so, He didn’t command to his worshipers to find the real/exact chronological data of events of human history (or about its empires and states from Adam until today)
in case He would command this , knowing how difficult is to come to a conclusion in chronology and how much time it requires , then God’s worshipers would be called “historians” not “Christians”
Please have the courage to present to him this material.
and if possible also this one .
Greetings .
"if you can't explain it simply you don't understand it wel enough" albert einstein.
The year 607 BCE was very correct !
It has been a real year in the earth's history , preceded by 608 BCE and followed by 606 BCE !
But the truth is , this year (607) is of no value for Christians , at all !
Why ?
Because it is no part of any Biblical prophecy regarding our time .
The interpretations which implied that year are absolutely non based upon the "teaching of Christ" , and therefore they are not from God !
Quote :
"Because Christ started ruling in Heaven immediately after his ressurection , according to the"teaching of Christ", there is no place for such interpretations which leads to conclusions as 1874 or 1914 or other years as the time for Christ starting to rule in Heaven.
wanting...
i was thinking it would be informative and fun to start a thread comparing the jesus of wt theology with what can be factually stated about the historical jesus of scripture.
in particular, how jw doctrines misrepresent the christ in both what they do teach about his as well as what they do not teach.
i know, there's lots to debate about who and what is the real, historical jesus, but at least try to stay on topic (the comparison) and let's not get all "born again" on me!
hey guys,.
hoping to get your input.. i had a conversation with my dh recently and i asked him what would need to happen for him to question his belief system.
he said that something unscripted needs to be taught by the society.. now there are many things i can bring up...i have heard you suggest not to argue with doctrine...but he is asking for it.
The WT has (soo) many unscriptural "doctrine"
here I can give you one:
wantingtruth
Hello and welcome to all (three) newcomers !
I read this :
i am a newbie also... hope i learn something new here.
yes, I hope too !
try here :
and
kent.steinhaug.no/forum/showthread.php?s=4329fcce74410381ca50a7151ec9bc59&threadid=5220
Greetings everybody !
wantingtruth
