our friend, oompa, has passed away.
just recieved the news a couple of hours ago, and have almost no details.
it happened today or yesterday, he took his own life.
That is really sad...I've been to this forum since 2001 and he was one of my favorite posters...although I don't come very often, like I used to, still this forum will be different without him...
R.I.P my friend and hope that you will find peace on mind...
hopefully this doesn't do more bad then good, but it's funny they are going on the destruction of jerusalem in 587/607 time, and appear to have not ever read what jesus said.
luke 21:20-24 - furthermore, when you see jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near.
21 then let those in ju?de'a begin fleeing to the mountains, and let those in the midst of her withdraw, and let those in the country places not enter into her; 22 because these are days for meting out justice, that all the things written may be fulfilled.
The ONLY thing that Russell got right (actually borrowed the idea) was the relocation of the Jews in their homeland, Israel, after 2000 years. Then Booze Jo came and changed that, claiming that the Bible verse was not a fulfillment for the natural Israel, but the "spiritual". In the confused mind of WT leaders everything has 2 meanings and fulfilments. So the entire idea changed and they tried to fullfil the scriptures upon them.
Unfortunately the State of Israel was formed, after the end of WWII, few years after the death of Jo. Since WT gave so much attention (that the Annointed class are the spiritual Israelites) they couldn't go back to their previous teaching, that eventually was correct. At the end of the day a false prophet is false, an evidence that they haven't got a future event correct yet, even though they had the change to show evidence of their "divine guidance", they failed once more by rejecting the relocation of Israel.
actually, this is my second post as i replied to a thread a few moments ago, but it turns out i originally registered eight years ago but had never posted.. i left in 2000 (from a newport, s wales, congregation) having been brought up in it from about the age of three.
initially, i was obsessed with research and posting to forums but got over it after a few years and just rediscovered this site a couple of days ago.
i just thought it would be worth posting my account of leaving in case it helped others.. i always considered myself to be "strong in the truth" and genuinely believed it,, but i suppose the amount of suppressed doubts had been mounting up and i think it was the summer of 1999 when i first thought of leaving.
Welcome back dude....and don't make another 8 years to post again.....glad to see your parents out. When I had my Judical session, I left a 4 page letter to the elders asking answers for my questions. Well the declined to answer and one of the elders that was in the Comitee, I found out few years later, that after they have disfellowshiped me he stepped down from being an elder. I don't know if this has to do with me, but I know that he never became an elder again...
both claim to be the sole path to god (or did at some point ).
both claim to reach back to first century christians ,( though jw`s are a bit ambiguous about this).
the r.c church has a pope , the j.w.`s have a governing body ,both providing spiritual food to the faithful.
Catholic Church is a schismatic Church that broke away from the Apostolic Orthodox Church in the year 1040 AD...from the Catholic Church, the Protestands came out, and there we have the thousand branches of extreme Protestand Churches & faiths, and one of them is the WT...
At the end of the day, they all have similarities in structure, but WT has nothing in common, either in faith, or dogma with the Roman Catholic Church
fresh off the recent 1-day elders school.
to keep things readable i'll post "highlights" over the next several days in different topics.
point 1: they have progressed from "just plain" stupid to dangerously stupid.. .
Two close friends of mine, commited suicide, while been JW's. Both suffered severe depression...Now how come an elder, that the majority of them finished High School, and most of all don't have a clue how to handle people with mental issues, since if you wanna kill your self, it means that you need help from an expert, and that is a phsyciatrist, and for sure not someone who just follows a book written 3500 thousand years ago by some Nomads living in the desert in Middle East region...According to WT, the best medicine for all the issues that you might face is:
a. Attend to the meetings
b. Do more field service
c. Read WT's literature
Does this receipe makes sense?
i've raised this idea before but recent events seem to support it.
changes in the watchtower may be guided by more than a need for cash flow: they may simply be liquidating/shutting it down as discreetly as possible.. of course, this doesn't mean they stop working on their upstate ny country club - but it could mean that the throrough going exposure and disproof of their beliefs on the internet, when it emerged, took many of them by surprize, as it did many of us!
after awhile, they generally gave up trying to make any sense of their doctrines - and coupled with cash flow issues - moved towards a quiet retreat.. take a look at a few things:.
I don't think that they will ever shut down the organization. For them is a money making machine. I would describe WT as hotel. People are coming and going and no matter what, clients will always leave money to the reception. So is the WT, plus it has to do with power and control, and that means they will never hand it over to someone else, or just let it go. Just like dictators that are not willing to leave power, so is the GB of the WT....
http://www.space.com/302-silent-running-black-triangle-sightings-rise.html.
hovering along highways, just hangin' around........yes!
deliberate and conscious intent, i love it!
The truth is out there......
hi guys, i am known to some on here and to prevent further problems from the trolls that may identify my son from what i am disclosing i have a different name.
so, my 26 year old son gets the diagnosis ocular melanoma back on june 14th this year with a very bleak outlook.
i walked away from the cult some years ago, however my son stayed in as he was engaged to an uber witness girl.
That is savage on their behalf...thats all I can say. CULT, that's what they are. I share a similar story, I was not allowed to attend to my daughters wedding. Some how after the years my family members they are not shunning me anymore, since I became much better person after leaving the cult. Also in the part of the world that I'm staying, WT does not have such influence over family members if someone gets disfellowsiped, due to the strong family bonds.
kudos to jwn roving correspondent sd-7 for his insightful comments in a recent thread.
as a result of his inspired utterance, i received a flash of insight that has allowed me to predict with uncanny accuracy the exact date for armageddon's arrival.
what follows are sd-7's comments and my calculations.
This sound like OBVES to me...never the less the GB or whatever they are called them selves now, they will use this article
i apologize if this is old news or has already been discussed, but i notice the society has posted a video commenting on the annual meeting and the adjusted understanding of matthew 24:45 on jw.org.. here is the link.... http://www.jw.org/en/news/events-activities/video-clip-2012-annual-meeting-program/.
thoughts?.
cedars.
Just a question that I came up with: Will the WT go back to the teachings of Russell?
