I dont think it is as straightforward a the penny example. For a start, people are dying as new ones are born. It needs a bit of applied maths I think but it is so long ago I can't remember how to do it.
GromitSK
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Humans have only been around for 6000 years? I have a question...
by KristiKay inof corse i know that we've been around much longer, i think it's more like 250,000. what i'm wondering , is it even possible to turn 2 people into almost 7billion, in that short period of time?
and during that time, two white, or probably some shade of brown people gradually became all the differnt races we have today?
that dosen't seem logical, i know jws aren't logical, but did this ever cross anyones mind while they were in this religion?.
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So why are there earthquakes?
by trevorbv inthey cant be an accident, because everything god does is intended.. so, if god created everything perfect, there shouldn't be any disasters: earthquakes, tsunamis etc.
so either he didn't create them perfectly, because he couldnt therefore, he lacks some qualities: all-powerful, all-wise or because he didnt want to, therefore being malevolent (he knew that there will be life on earth, and those disasters could harm this life).
either way it doesnt look good for him.
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GromitSK
How is it a dumb question? :) - it is one of the oldest questions that religions have tried to answer. Having said that, perhaps that doesn't stop it being dumb lol
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So why are there earthquakes?
by trevorbv inthey cant be an accident, because everything god does is intended.. so, if god created everything perfect, there shouldn't be any disasters: earthquakes, tsunamis etc.
so either he didn't create them perfectly, because he couldnt therefore, he lacks some qualities: all-powerful, all-wise or because he didnt want to, therefore being malevolent (he knew that there will be life on earth, and those disasters could harm this life).
either way it doesnt look good for him.
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GromitSK
I think the point you were making was pretty clear Trev. My own take is that it probably depends what definition of "god" people are using. If the definition is "bloke with beard controlling the Universe whilst perched behind some enormous console" then it will take some mind-bending to achieve some kind of accomodation. The bibilical image of God isn't the only one in service.
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Christianity, on it's death bed
by free2beme inas i grow older, and perhaps more controled by satan.
;) there is something i can not help but conclude.
it is the fact that christianity only exist, because it was born in a time in which there was no media, communications, and possible chance of being proven wrong.
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GromitSK
I wonder whether Christianity will simply be replaced by something else. This seems to have happened regularly through history. Perhaps some knowledgeable person could work out the average life span of a major religion from inception to fade? I suspect that religions in Egypt for example lasted for several thousand years before they were superseded?
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Check this out: "I am an Ex Mormon"
by DanaBug inhas anyone seen this?
it's so similar.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b64oebuheky.
and here's their website.. http://www.iamanexmormon.com/.
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Jehovah's Witnesses - Once Again the Fastest Growing Faith in the U.S.
by davidl7 inaccording to the latest statistics published by the ncc in its yearbook of american and canadian churches, the jehovah's witnesess had the highest growth rate, in 2010 growing 4.37%.
this is, i believe, is the 4th year in a row, that the witnesses had the highest growth rate.
roman catholics grew by less than 1%, as did most of the other churches listed.
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GromitSK
I agree with Room 215
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Is there a Logical explanation for the spooky things happening at my daughter, Ali's house?!?!!!!
by coffee_black inok.... looking for some logical explainations.... my daughter, ali, who i've been posting about on the forum...who has developed congestive heart failure.... has had some spooky experiences lately in her house.
here are a few of the things that happened:.
about a month ago, ali and her son david, heard noises from the attic above ali's bedroom...that sounded like something was being dragged across the attic floor.
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GromitSK
lol I get your point.
However scepticism and dismissal based on your personal opinion alone (or mine for that matter) isn't always worth much and I suspect the OP would be more interested in your rationale. There is a great deal of evidence to support survival gathered over 150 years. Is it proof? It depends what your own experience is and what level of evidence satisfies you. Can it all be easily dismissed - I don't think so.
Unless the OP (or anyone else on here) knows you, she may not care what your opinion is unless it is supported by factual information she can assess so it doesn't actually help her to answer the original question she raised and which you chose to respond to.
I don't propose to enter into a parapsychological debate on this thread as it will take it off track, however if you're genuinely interested in discussing the subject there are a few threads already discussing it or perhaps we can start one? I have to say it will mean you reading a book or two on the research if you haven't already so that we can discuss the subject on common ground. I am only interested in discussing it on the basis of developing understanding (my own and whoever else is interested) and not in trying to prove you wrong (or vice versa) or that we survive physical death as I don't really have much interest in your opinion per se, more in how you arrived at it. If you're convinced you're right then there isn't much point in discussing it further.
ps I am nipping off as it is late and I won't be able to respond for a bit.
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Is there a Logical explanation for the spooky things happening at my daughter, Ali's house?!?!!!!
by coffee_black inok.... looking for some logical explainations.... my daughter, ali, who i've been posting about on the forum...who has developed congestive heart failure.... has had some spooky experiences lately in her house.
here are a few of the things that happened:.
about a month ago, ali and her son david, heard noises from the attic above ali's bedroom...that sounded like something was being dragged across the attic floor.
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GromitSK
Hi Lion Cask
Well I don't argue with your position, you are perfectly entitled to hold it and I don't say it is unreasonable from your point of view. You would probably agree however that just because you aint satisfied with what you have seen and heard (or rather not seen or heard ), it doesn't mean others can't form a different view based on their own research and observations. As long as they don't simply expect you to accept it as gospel (sorry couldn't resist that).
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Is there a Logical explanation for the spooky things happening at my daughter, Ali's house?!?!!!!
by coffee_black inok.... looking for some logical explainations.... my daughter, ali, who i've been posting about on the forum...who has developed congestive heart failure.... has had some spooky experiences lately in her house.
here are a few of the things that happened:.
about a month ago, ali and her son david, heard noises from the attic above ali's bedroom...that sounded like something was being dragged across the attic floor.
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GromitSK
hi Lion Cask
I'd say you were pretty vehement but I don't think that is an insult (it wasn't intended to be). The trouble with the term rational is that it includes only that which one considers to be possible and/or likely. If we reject a paranormal explanation for things because we 'know' that they are not possible, what we consider rational may in fact not be, simply because we have excluded a set of explanations (ie 'paranormal ones'). In this case I don't know whether there is a 'supernatural' explanation or not. I don't think anyone else knows for a fact that paranormal events do not occur either (though they may sound certain and consider themselves to be correct).
I agree that many seem to look for the supernatural in almost everything that happens in their day-to-day lives and this is perhaps equally inappropriate. I am just suggesting keeping an open mind.
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Is there a Logical explanation for the spooky things happening at my daughter, Ali's house?!?!!!!
by coffee_black inok.... looking for some logical explainations.... my daughter, ali, who i've been posting about on the forum...who has developed congestive heart failure.... has had some spooky experiences lately in her house.
here are a few of the things that happened:.
about a month ago, ali and her son david, heard noises from the attic above ali's bedroom...that sounded like something was being dragged across the attic floor.
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GromitSK
Hi Coffee
For what this is worth I'd suggest listing the possible causes for each of the situations (however off the wall you may think they are) and then work out what you need to do to eliminate/prove each of them. Having the list in front of you and some plan of attack for each of them may help to focus your attention and prevent you from repeating actions as your investigation progresses. It also means when you look back you can be more confident that you have covered all the possibilities as far as you can.
As for those who confidently reject a paranormal explanation as a possibility: they are entitled to their opinion but that is all it is: their opinion. I do not understand the vehemence with which some express their opinion on this matter however they can be safely ignored if one adopts a logical approach. They aren't there and haven't shared your/your families experiences. I don't think it is necessary to have a firm opinion one way or another on this situation just treat it is a logic problem and work your way through it would be my suggestion. Let the evidence lead you where it will.