Fairies are definitely real. Depending on your definition of course
GromitSK
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Any actual Witnesses here?
by trthskr ini found this site hoping to read topics submitted by jw's so i could learn more, but it just seems to be everyone else here except them.
just about every topic and member is just bashing jw's and their teachings.
this site should be renamed "jwbashertrolls.net".
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Had very intense discussion with Mum
by Qcmbr inmy mum is hard core lds and of all the family (3 boys 1 girl) i was the favoured son from a religious view point.
my defection to the atheist side has hit her hard since i was the one who married in the temple, served a mission, was the wards elder's qurum president etc.
we've never really talked face to face but she's been using the usual long distance stealth tactics (christmas presents of church quotes, church dvds, mormon abc type books for the smallest and inviting the kids to church activities while having covert one on one 'what shall we do?
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GromitSK
I sometimes wonder when religious people say "you must have respect for my beliefs" they confuse having respect for their right to hold them and respecting the actual beliefs per se. I don't understand why there would be an expectation that anyone would show respect for something they found unsupportable or even ridiculous. Have respect for the person sure, or their rights, but their beliefs?
There seems to be an underlying assumption that the act of questioning or challenging beliefs is in someway 'disrespectful'. I can see that it might be done in a disrespectful manner, but I can't see how simply raising questions is intrinsically disrespectful.
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Any actual Witnesses here?
by trthskr ini found this site hoping to read topics submitted by jw's so i could learn more, but it just seems to be everyone else here except them.
just about every topic and member is just bashing jw's and their teachings.
this site should be renamed "jwbashertrolls.net".
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GromitSK
Everyone makes mistakes? This is the same mistake again and again. It destroys lives and families, in some cases literally. Open your eyes.I call troll.
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Evil Spirits
by LizLA indoes anyone on this forum have knowledge about casting out demons or evil spirits?
there's at least two of them that have been harrasing me even before i was a jw.
i recently attended a deliverance church to find some help but it was apparent that the holy spirit was missing from that church.
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GromitSK
Hang on - missed that. Which views have been supported by which mental health professionals?
Hi Qcmbr
I meant the idea that influence by (let's say) 'discarnate entities' is possible.
Now I am not saying this is an authority, but you may find it food-for-thought (or not, depending on how open to the idea you are): This book was written by a guy called Carl Wickland http://new-birth.net/booklet/30_years_among_the_dead.PDF (cheerful title I know) - he was a psychiatrist (some background from wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Wickland). I am not saying this is fact but I found his research interesting. I don't quite know what to make of it myself.
There are other examples of psychiatric and psychotherapists recommending using exorcism (for example) as a therapeutic method although by no means all the references I checked indicated that they viewed this as anything more than a method to assist someone they felt was suffering from a delusion.
Even the catholic church recommends a sufferer seeing a psychiatrist before exorcism may be considered.
As to what Shelby and Tec are saying, I think what they are describing is a subjective experience basically. There seems to be no way to validate it unless it conveys veridical information that they could not have received by any normal method. That doesn't mean it isn't 'real' necessarily, just that there is no way to be sure (for anyone other than the receiver). It can only be ruled out if it can be proved to be impossible, which of course it cannot. That isn't the same as saying it is 'real' in a sense that would be meaningful to anyone else of course.
(sorry - botched the hyperlink for those interested)
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Evil Spirits
by LizLA indoes anyone on this forum have knowledge about casting out demons or evil spirits?
there's at least two of them that have been harrasing me even before i was a jw.
i recently attended a deliverance church to find some help but it was apparent that the holy spirit was missing from that church.
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GromitSK
I think some of what Shelby was saying, at least in part (apologies if I get this wrong), is that some of those claiming any kind of 'spirit' communication are reporting their own experiences and that we should at least consider it from their perspective . I would hope most folks would think it unreasonable to expect anyone to simply on the face of it accept that such communications are what is claimed for them, particularly as there is usually no objective evidence, however this doesn't make such communications delusional of necessity. That is unless one is of the opinion that such communications are impossible. That position is, for many people, including some scientists, somewhat open to debate.
I don't think it is wrong to suggest people such as the OP may be delusional or have some mental disorder which should be investigated, however to suggest that is definitely the case and that is the end of the matter, rejects the experiences of countless people who have had such experiences and consider them to be real and not delusional and in some instances their view has been supported by mental health professionals. If a person is hearing voices, is there a good chance it is a result of some mental disorder - of course there is. Should they consult a mental health professional? It would be wise, particularly if the person is a risk to others or themselves? Is this the only explanation? Personally, I don't think that is necessarily the case, but it is a prudent place to start.
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GromitSK
Good advice Black Sheep IMHO.
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GromitSK
Bones dating from his family were found.
Even if they had the bones dated to perfection, (which is itself a big question mark) - how would anyone know they were from Jesus family?
maybe Jesus has a man's body with female DNA? Lol
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2012 Yearbook
by Mickey mouse inby this point in the year the yearbook has usually been seen by someone and the partakers figure is known.
has anyone set eyes on it yet?.
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GromitSK
11,824 partakers? Something is def,going wrong here, I remember the annual fall in partakers being used as a sign the end was approaching in the 1980s - I don't recall reading it in any of the washtowel littertray, perhaps someone more knowledgeable does?
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SNL skit about Tim Tebow....even funnier now in view of what happened Sunday
by StoneWall inany of you that know who tim tebow is will either find this skit hilarious or disturbing depending on your religious views or lack there of.
(since they did lose this sunday) remember this was aired saturday night before the sunday game between denver broncos and new england patriots.. leave it to saturday night live to present it in a way that only they can.. .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul2dhnaqgxm&feature=g-logo&context=g23c7a1efoaaaaaaaxaa.
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GromitSK
Man that's funny lol
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GromitSK
Actually the article seems a bit misleading in law. Hearsay is admissible in criminal proceedings under certain conditions. It depends on the nature of it and requires court permission usually. At least in UK. It is admissible in civil proceedings in the UK. How much weight it may be given is a different question.
Having said that I wouldn't have thought hearsay evidence attributed to someone who can't even be shown to have existed for sure is worth much lol