Every time I think I have a grip of the extent of the dishonesty of the society's scholarship, the floor gives way beneath me. I need to explore this a little further...thank you, thank you.
Cadellin
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The New World Translation Dirty Dozen...lurkers will love it!........
by oompa inok...now this is the last part of appendix 1d in the reference bible...so if you want to check out rev.
22: 18,19 it says we can not change a single thing...not a word about this scroll...and moses was told the same thing about the law if you check the cross reference...so why is it they change ky (not the lube...plus astroglide is way better) ky rios, which is lord....to yhwh!....jehovah!!
!....so if you see the j thingys and numbers....that is all the crappy dark ages bibles that also changed the bible to suit them.....so since they changed the bible...it makes us legit to do it too?!?!?
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The New World Translation Dirty Dozen...lurkers will love it!........
by oompa inok...now this is the last part of appendix 1d in the reference bible...so if you want to check out rev.
22: 18,19 it says we can not change a single thing...not a word about this scroll...and moses was told the same thing about the law if you check the cross reference...so why is it they change ky (not the lube...plus astroglide is way better) ky rios, which is lord....to yhwh!....jehovah!!
!....so if you see the j thingys and numbers....that is all the crappy dark ages bibles that also changed the bible to suit them.....so since they changed the bible...it makes us legit to do it too?!?!?
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Hi, guys: Can you explain what's going on with the "j"?
Oompa, in another post a while back, you've referred to a letter you got from the society regarding the use of "Jehovah" in the Greek scrips. What was that about? I'm not trying to hijack this thread but I get the feeling I'm missing something (which wouldn't be the first time)...
This is the last post I'm allowed until several hours go by ... and I'm using it on YOU, Oompa (but you're so worth it...!)
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Who really is the slave? The Governing Body!!!
by Ultimate Reality inwith the june 15th article (on jw.org) about the slave and governing body, we can see the planned progression of breaking the slave from the domestics.
therefore, lumping the claimed-anointed and the great crowd in the same group for all intents and purposes.
7:9;john 10:16) should not individual members of the anointed and the "other sheep" trust the slave appointed over them?
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The Society makes the distinction between "individual members" of the anointed and the anointed as a class or group. I don't think there's anything new in this point specifically. The individual members have always been subject to the slave as a whole class or group, in JW doctrine.
The ability to at once view a group both as individuals and yet as a class or composite whole is something the Soc. does in their eisegesis (thank you, Leo, for that word and yes, I probably misspelled it.) For example, they do the same thing with the 24 elders in Revelation, who are supposed to represent the anointed as a class in their heavenly position, even though the Two Witnesses represent the anointed on earth at the very same time. Yes, its confusing. No, it doesn't make any sense.
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My mom- and Hi! I am new here.
by RaraAvis ini have been reading this site for a while now but have never posted.
i am an ex-pioneer, who left the organization 15 years ago.
i served as a need-greater in a foreign country and when i came back i walked away.
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Welcome, welcome...it's tough when your family are die-hards. I know where you're coming from, but hang in there. Like others have said, this place is very therapeutic!
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Howdy from a long time lurker
by Cadellin ingreetings all:.
i just want to say howdy and thank you .
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You guys are the best...! Cate: Actually, we've never discussed the blood issue as far as doctrine goes. Weird, huh? I've never thought about it that much, in terms of it being a flip-flop thing (sounds like something you'd wear to the pool). Guess I need to do more research. It's great to hear from other wives; it seems like there are more husbands who wake up to this religion and have their wives stay in, than vica versa.
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Howdy from a long time lurker
by Cadellin ingreetings all:.
i just want to say howdy and thank you .
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Thank you, all of you, for all your wonderful replies/welcomes!!
Quandry: Yes, totally. At least I know. That's huge. This is where my husband and I differ; he doesn't want to know. He actually said to me at one point that he would rather continue in ignorance than put himself through what I was going through (I was doing a lot of crying at that point).
Starting Over: I'm trying to get over the fear...its just that, being raised "in", the "out" is presented as so terrifying and awful. Moreover, everyone and I mean everyone in my immed and extended family, as well as my husband's, are super strong, pioneering, etc. I keep wondering, "what's wrong with me? These are all intelligent people, yet they don't seem to get the gaps in logic, the plain erroneous statements made in print or from the platform, the blatant over the top control tactics. Is it just me?" Sometimes I think I'm going crazy...yes, I've read COC and it was great. It helped but I'm still here, in my own wee sphere...
LockedChaos: You hit the nail on the head. Its good to know there are others experiencing the same thing.
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Want to Introduce myself....Hi everyone.
by ilovelamp120 inhi all, i've been reading here for awhile and made a few posts before realizing i should probably introduce myself.
it's so refreshing to read ppl's thoughts on these topics, which run deeply personal, and i've never been able to express myself freely, so thanks for such a great forum.. i was born and raised a dub, by my "spiritually single" mother (dad was an unbeliever..still is) me and my 3 other siblings all fell away before getting baptised, other than my older sis, who was df'd at 16. unfortunatley in my early 20's a sister "took an interest in me and we had a bible study for 2 years before getting baptized at 24.
(what a regret) since then i floundered, flopped, got df'd a year later for dum, dum, dum..."fornication and then reinstated 9 months later.
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Hey there, ilovelamp120! Welcome aboard from one newbie to another. Best thing to do is to read... read...and read some more...COC by R. Franz is a great place to start.
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2009 Special Talk Outline
by OnlyTruth inis there a true religion from gods standpoint?.
note to the speaker:.
standpoint.
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Cadellin
Howdy there, OnlyTruth! From one newborn Newbie to another!
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Howdy from a long time lurker
by Cadellin ingreetings all:.
i just want to say howdy and thank you .
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AGGH! I made this several easy to read paragraphs and look how it posted! What did I do wrong???
Oh--wow. I fixed it.
It's true, life is a journey of learning...
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Howdy from a long time lurker
by Cadellin ingreetings all:.
i just want to say howdy and thank you .
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Thanks for the nice welcome. This is incredibly hard for me, as I suspect many of you know from your own experience. Here goes:
I am still active but mentally and emotionally estranged since discovering the gross misuse of quotations in the Creation book. That was the worst shock of my life, and I discovered it on my own (rather than someone telling me, which I would have automatically disbelieved). I can honestly say that my heart was broken. I had implicit trust in the Borg and it never remotely ocurred to me that they would be dishonest in any shape or form, especially over something as paramount as the origin of life.
After being devestated, I got angry--at myself, for never educating myself on the whole evolution/creation thing. Everything I knew (or thought I knew) about the matter was based on what the Soc. had printed. So, I got busy and started reading--and wow! The light went on. I found the whole subject fascinating and, at the same time, I realized how totally out in left field virtually everything the Soc. has printed on the whole matter is. Since they weren't honest about evolution, were they honest about the history and infallability of the Bible?
That was the next thing I researched, and discovered this website around that time and Leolaia's amazing scholarship (L., you are my hero) I read Friedman's Who Wrote the bible, as well as a pile of others. But this realization of having been misled, and having my faith in the Bible um..interrupted--no, diluted, let's see--how about, trashed? Well, at any rate, it plunged me into something of a depression and I ended up in counselling and on antidepressants--which actually helped me feel a whole lot better, both being able to voice my anxiety and sorrow and getting my mood picked up, chemically or otherwise. I'm also working out like crazy which really helps too.
Okay, where am I now? I haven't told anybody because I'm still scared. I admit it. That is, except for my husband. I'm married to a wonderful guy who is strong in the "truth" and who is in major denial. He's too smart not to understand what I've been sharing with him but scared stiff of where it will take him, like I am. I'm still going to some meetings, not going out in svc--my conscience just won't let me (sidepoint--nobody's said boo to me about this. Isn't that odd?) How can I tell someone the end is coming "very soon" when I've read about the '75 fiasco and seen the "generation that won't pass away" pass away right before my eyes? How can I represent the Bible as being inerrant and infallible?
I can't.