Perhaps they knew each others status by 1: greeting each other with a grope through the gown instead of handshake or
2: the spiritual sisters just did what they do today ....gossip about the mens status
so as not to hijack the current "paul" thread, i'll comment here.
paul spoke about circumcision numerous times and even circumcised timothy.. not to make light of the topic, but i have always wondered, how did anyone know if someone else was circumcised???
i have been a jw my entire life and will honestly tell you that i don't know which brothers are circumcised and which are not.. i mean, did guys back then watch each other at the urinals or peek in the windows when someone was getting dressed?
Perhaps they knew each others status by 1: greeting each other with a grope through the gown instead of handshake or
2: the spiritual sisters just did what they do today ....gossip about the mens status
new to the board, first post.
just curious if anyone has ever tried to leave because of an invalid baptism.
if a person felt their baptism was invalid because they did it under pressure, and did not really devote themselves to jehovah, and would not now be baptized if given the chance ~ would they still be disfellowshipped or disassociated??
Hj dssynergy
My ex wife was baptised at about sixteen under parent and peer pressure
years later when she met me and married she told the elders she thought her baptism then was invalid because of extenuating circumstances and aked to be re-baptised which they did.
So if the org is consistant they should likewise take others baptisms as invalid!
Good way to stop being DF'd ,but they are'nt from god and are'nt consistant ,as I remember god says he never changes ,but they do ,just look at their history
would they turn the world upside down, so that australia was on top?
just wondering how stralians and so africans feel about this.. s.
It should be the other way round as gravity teaches us that the major weight of bullshit always falls to the bottom
... if she will prove me from the bible accuracy of 1914. and i stressed i really mean it.. we had one of the usual evening discussions and this was the result.. she said she is not ready for this and must do some preparation and aditional study (which is funny for somebody raised up in a hard-core jw family, baptized over 25 years, who spent over a decade in regular pioneering, reads wt for hours every week and have brought several people into jw cult...).
but ok, she pulled out several publications and is doing her preparation now and tonight we will have the discussion.. to motivate her i told her:.
1) if you will be succesfull i will go to preach to everybody in our street about 1914/607 during my pioneering.
Don't do it ! It's a JW trap .......thats the new way to motivate pioneering
telegraph uk: energy crisis is postponed as new gas rescues the world engineers have performed their magic once again.
the world is not going to run short of energy as soon as feared.
tony hayward, bp's chief executive, said proven natural gas reserves around the world have risen to 1.2 trillion barrels of oil equivalent, enough for 60 years' supply and rising fast.. "there has been a revolution in the gas fields of north america.
Natural gas has been used extensively on the Metro buses in South Australia for years , Australia sells lots of natural gas oversees , but as long as LPG is available and there are few Natural gas compressing plants big business will continue to sell it overseas to countries like China with little infra structure and the cosy entailed. So much for governments caring about pollution etc.
i've mentioned before here that in my old congo that there is a pedophile who has been there for some years.
just to re-cap - he was an elder in a congo more south from my old congo for some years and stopped being an elder there for unknown reasons to us when he and his wife moved to our congo when we attended.. in time it came out ,from an elderly pioneer who was close to my wife, that he had been df'd before for adultery or some such.. now in our congregation he got df'd again and because the pioneer sister used to get a lift to meetings from them ,she was told by the pedo's wife that he had been accused of molesting his girls when they were kids.
of course the stupid woman was actually defending her husband to the pioneer - this is her daughters this animal molested!!.
OK here is the court transcript of this scums sentencing ,he was taken to jail after sentencing http://www.courts .sa.gov.au/sent_remarks/sr/0731_inston_gordon_william.htm
He was sentenced for 4 years prison ,non parole of 15 months - too short of course but at least he's away and can't do his "community work" of witnessing at peoples doors of how he's from a pure god supported organisation "that would love to come onto your home and teach the kiddies about the bible"
So attention Adelaide Jehovahs Witnesses this one did not get away GORDON WILLIAM INSTON from the SEAFORD congregation has been jailed as a pedophile and your still accepting him as innocent
i've mentioned before here that in my old congo that there is a pedophile who has been there for some years.
just to re-cap - he was an elder in a congo more south from my old congo for some years and stopped being an elder there for unknown reasons to us when he and his wife moved to our congo when we attended.. in time it came out ,from an elderly pioneer who was close to my wife, that he had been df'd before for adultery or some such.. now in our congregation he got df'd again and because the pioneer sister used to get a lift to meetings from them ,she was told by the pedo's wife that he had been accused of molesting his girls when they were kids.
of course the stupid woman was actually defending her husband to the pioneer - this is her daughters this animal molested!!.
An update to this is this......I'm isolated on an island now away from the people I know from the past , so it's hard to find things out now but I got a text message on my mobile phone telling me that this guy first mentioned has just been put in jail for 15 years for molesting his grand children.
I will try to find a news article if I can and post it, I wonder how the brothers and sisters feel in the Seaford congregation ,south of Adelaide South Australia feel now .....I did try to warn them for a long time. I wonder whether they know yet ,as the Elders tried to hide this scums history so well?
I wonder how the daughters feel now that their father has also molested their children ? I only hope that they now see the evil WTS for what it is and the children can now find some peace.
due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?
remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.
what about the thousands that don't get caught?
Amen
the definition of an apostate is one who has abandoned his religious faith.
i was baptized in 1974. the religion i joined believed that jesus selected the bible students in 1919 to do a separating work.
we had to preach to find the sheep like ones.
"God allowed trinity for 1700 years."
I think Reniaa just needed a good old fashioned molesting from one of her brothers or sisters when she was a kid and she might have seen things straight
due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?
remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.
what about the thousands that don't get caught?
Well everybody I think Reniia is only just exhibiting the thinking the WTS has inculcated into most of it's flock ...."If the brothers are looking after things Jehovah will bless them ,so by critisizing one thing like the way they handle molestors that would be devisive and jehovah would be displeased with me!?"
After all, like Reniia, to them it's a tiny problem within the WTS as far as they can see for Jehovah would not allow this to happen in his "clean" organisation, would he?
Some here may remember my experiences with the WTS and how we tried for years to get changes done ,how I warned the elders and publishers with kids of a seperate case from ours in our congo ,that he hugged kids (and molested his daughters as an elder ) in the congo under the elders noses and their families ,but to no avail ,and finally though he was criminally charged. But even then a few months ago two of the body came to get me to DF my self and when I brought this up again ,one of the men did not know of the case and he was supposed to be protecting the flock from this animal.
The average JW is basically blind and ignorant or in denial that these things can occur in their religion
PS if you want to read about my experiences in full follow the threads of WOZADUMMY