sadly today, many churches and religious organisations teach their followers that they are saved based on something the bible does not record.
many people are following a lie, and are heading to a lost eternity and do not know it.. my question here is... are you saved?
it's vitally important to know!.
@ vanderhoven - If some one by circumstance is born and lives in a country like China for example and accepts their traditional religious beliefs , or say someone is in Australia and is a JW but thinks they are christian ,will christ save them?
Or do you believe he will only save those ones that you believe belong to only a handful of churches that you find acceptable out of the 40,000 christian orgs now about?
sadly today, many churches and religious organisations teach their followers that they are saved based on something the bible does not record.
many people are following a lie, and are heading to a lost eternity and do not know it.. my question here is... are you saved?
it's vitally important to know!.
@ Rivergang - It was like that in my area years ago and the "born agains" (as we called them) would ask that question often when approached at their homes and we would reply according to whether we thought we were being saved in the conveluted way the WTS told us. I studied with a lot of born agains and one I remember went on about it, so I challenged him on that in the light of him having sex with a woman who was his neighbor and that he smoked weed, I asked him how the holy spirit can be in him ,how he was saved, and where then does his gift of tongues come from , considering he continued a sinful life. He just smirked and chuckled but he was still saved according to him.
@ Vanderhoven As regards Rom 1 vs 16 it says that "
can i ask please especially for all who are pomo?.
we've taken a decision similar to revelation 18:4 to get out of the watchtower and not share in its sins.. how many of you still believe that god will one day terminate the world's many systems by means of an armageddon?.
Mankind probably deserves an Armaggedon ,but which god is gonna do it ? El the caananite god which the jews pinched or gentle Jesus who loves us so much he will turn into El?
hi everyone ,the other day my partner and i were out looking for antiques and collectables and had a surprise discovery.. we were at a little antique shop we regularly scour and i found in the book section a copy of "riches" by j. f. rutherford dated 1936. all the years we have searched together this is the first old society book ,apart from a silver covered bible i found, that i have come across outside of a kingdom hall library.. the book is in pretty good condition considering it's age.
i don't collect them so if if any of you need a copy please message me.
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Hi everyone ,the other day my partner and I were out looking for antiques and collectables and had a surprise discovery.
We were at a little antique shop we regularly scour and I found in the book section a copy of "RICHES" by J. F. Rutherford dated 1936. All the years we have searched together this is the first old society book ,apart from a silver covered bible I found, that I have come across outside of a kingdom hall library.
The book is in pretty good condition considering it's age. I don't collect them so if if any of you need a copy please message me.
we got the inevitable letter today.. meet, associate and "encourage" in person unless sick or infirm.
also dress up for zoom if you must use it.
locally over half are on zoom, 3/4 no picture.
Last night out for a drive ,I noticed the kingdom hall lights on and people moving around inside the hall and preparing for a meeting.
Along time since I have seen anyone there, and many years since I have attended that hall that I help build with my own hands. Certainly got me thinking how they are managing their lives now the governing body says they are allowed back in.
So much has changed in the world since I became a JW in the early eightees ,but also so much has changed with the teachings of the governing body in that time ,even the vow made at baptism to follow the org .
The beauty of time is that one can reflect back on how man made the org is ,if the bible is read there appears a huge gulf between how the governing body has been changing almost the whole scene of the JW's in those decades compared to the principles that supposedly set out by the bible writers and even Jesus.
One has to wonder that if technology ,which has been condemned as satanic , had not evolved and the pandemic had come ,what would they have done about the preaching and meeting attendance if the likes of zoom had not existed?
Does'nt it seem that the governing body has just responded to Covid and other things ,like the child abuse cases ,just as humans would without being divinely lead? They had to make decisions based on the rules they had developed over decades from their inception?
The consequeces for the governing body of their mistakes are hidden from their eyes just like the people who follow them are foreign to them, they don't have to face people at all do they? For instance what about when they said organ transplants are not for god's people, and many died as a result, but now it's ok, they don't have to come face to face to the people who have suffered for following them do they?
But now I look into the hall of fools, like I was ,and wonder how many indeed will never return and how the governing body will respond to what they have created in response to Covid. To me this only shows the governing body has always been ,along with all it's leaders, just man made asking for reverence that their Jesus is supposedly due.
do you remember some of the weird and wacky stuff emanating from the watchtower society?
let's make a list from memory that we can use to inject a little humor into our discussions with jehovah's witnesses.
- venus may be an enormous jurassic park.. - germs don't cause disease.. - no beards allowed.
Incredible what R & R has quoted ,I wonder what Samuel Herd would feel if the other governing body members wrote something like this.........
"You know, scientists say that the cranial capacity of a negro is 10% smaller than that of a normal man so now this shows that he's just not equipped for the role of being human. His role is one of subjection to the white man. His role is one of submissiveness and that means that he should recognize that he is a negro and glad to be a slave. "
The Value of our Theocratic Slaves by the Loving White Governing Body Members New York 1971
My hands up ,my mother became a Mormon back in the 50's so I was brought up from the age of about 4 with the missionaries coming around during the day while my father was at work . He despised them coming around and was an atheist. I have many memories some funny and not so funny ,my mother got pretty involved as far as a woman could in a thing called the MIA which included social events and staging plays etc and freely taught me beliefs of the LDS church .
I was baptised at the age of 8 and took on the ministry at age 12 doing the sacrements and giving talks before they booted her out .
Met lots of young elder missionaries who were only men back then ,mostly Americans but sometimes Mauri ones from New Zealand would come over. They would do 2 year missions and then go back to start careers back home. My mother kept in touch over the years with them and in the later 60's told me that only one I think stayed heterosexual though still marrying in the temples.
I stopped going before my 13th birthday because my mother was booted out ,many years later I was told for having a relationship with a teenager from church which probably explains my father moving out when I was 12.
Years before a bad memory was that my father was out of work for a long time because of a strike at the factory. The government did not help with money because he was on strike but my mother still had to pay her tithe to the LDS church. She would give them 10% of her house keeping which my father really resented. I remember when the strike finished the elders came up to her at the meeting one time with a book recording everyones tithes asking for the accrued tithe she had not paid while my was on strike! Even as a kid I thought this so wrong.
At the time my mother always did not agree with the way African and American Africans were treated as lower because they supposedly had the mark of Cain by being black, they could not get the priesthood or marry whites in the temple etc. When I questioned this she said the prophets say this is the way, but years later when the"prophets" changed their minds I brought this up to missionaries that would come to the door .
Even as a kid I wanted truth and read their literature including the Pearl of Great Price etc and noted they used the King James bible but the Book of Mormon quoted it in the same archaic english as the KJ ,but the KJ was written long after the Book of Mormon was supposedly written on gold plates and translated by Joseph Smith and his wife and given them by the angel Morini - yep just another crap American religion.
first off, i have made it real clear with jw's my thoughts on being a jw.
i'm out, there is no coming back.. second, i'm on their " do not call list" .. so why now all of a sudden my mailbox is getting bombed 💣 by their memorial invites and letters?.
don't they follow their do not call list?
Well your just unlucky ,i have not been ]invited and i live only a m\ile from the local ding dong hall
now they start inviting to their "commemorate the death of jesus" event.
it always makes me a bit sad.
i don’t think i could endure to watch it myself today.
We still have not got our invitation to the memorial ,since when have the local elders and publishers become Christs judges and condemned us to death ?
leviticus 10:1-3. .
the death of nadab and abihu.
10 aaron’s sons nadab and abihu took their censers, put fire in them and added incense; and they offered unauthorized fire before the lord, contrary to his command.
And Tonus ,Through his loving kindness he allowed the Ark to disappear ,never to be found ? If it disappeared by robbery at say the first temple destruction why did he not get his servants to write how the fools who stole it were punished, or were they?
What kind of god kills a man desperate to save the Ark and yet loses track of where it went?
