Posts by wozza

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Who raised Jesus from the dead?

by Blotty in

i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

wozza

@Seabreeze I'm curious to know (as animals have been brought into the conversation) ,if you believe animals have a soul /spirit combined or both things ?

This comes back to the WTS argument with Nephesh ,Ruah etc argument spirit or soul and how are they properly defined in light of the Bible.

The animals live physically like us and eat,defecate, get sickness and old age and die like us.

Do you believe they have a spirit that leaves the body? Where do they go? To me I see them live and die like us, thats the physical evidence.

You bring up things like Terminal Lucidity ,so do they possibly experience the same? Sort of like the fox I saw squashed on the road ,it looked like it was dead but then suddenly raised it's head and made a silent movement of its jaw as if crying out. I guess it was like the man I found on a rainy night who hit the back of a car on his motorcycle , his face was crushed and he was dying and trying to cry out but his jaw was not attached anymore.

See we live and experience similar things in life ,but just because my brain is bigger how come i am supposed to have a spirit/soul that can leave and be saved as a spirit?

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Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

by Fisherman in

i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

—unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

wozza

@ Fisherman

From the comments you have given above ,in my opinion your thinking on things shows the WTS has been very successful in taking away any decency you may have had one time ,and replaced it with the creature worship you have for them.

So they may have been wrong, but, hey they are right now and that is all you need (and people should worship them like you do), mistakes have been made but they corrected them.

I find it hard to understand your blind reasoning on the WTS teachings. Some years ago I knew an elder and a MS who staked out a house at night to catch a couple out ,whether they had sex would be up to the couple to reveal. But the joy and excitement the two servants showed in going about this WTS ordained ploy was disturbing.

The way they conducted themselves in other peoples lives was disgusting and the WTS gave them the mental reliance to carry this out. You will probably discount this behaviour as trivial, but consider if it was christian to stake out the couple or see there might have been a core problem that the servants could have helped them with.

If your mental thinking is on this path ,perhaps you are totally taken over in thinking the WTS is right all the time.

Not unlike an OCD person who masterbates to porn habitually but can't see the harm behind the behaviour and the system that creates it!

This is not a personal attack on you but a plead to look outside the box?

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Babylon the Great

by Godlyman in

do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.

wozza

Ah guess follow the money

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Babylon the Great

by Godlyman in

do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.

wozza

I'm sorry Guess but didnt Britain in the early 20th century help the jews to get Jerusalem back and later in 1967? Is not America strongly supportive of jews keeping power in the middle east?

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Did YOU have 'princes' in YOUR congregation?

by BoogerMan in

lol .

w54 5/1 p. 277 par.

17 - some of the “great crowd” are now serving in position of “princes,” .

wozza

Oh you must be talking about the Dutch brother who was wealthy in my area ,he bought some land for a kingdom hall but sub divided some of it for private homes and made out to the authorities it was like a village for parishoners but nearly all were sold to worldly people.

But the hall was built next door, this generous brother was made an elder. Oh did I forget to tell you he molested his daughter for years. Ah the WTS making the most of "unrighteous riches".

The story has a good end though the WTS has ownership of the hall and he died not many years later of Asbestos he breathed in .

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Babylon the Great

by Godlyman in

do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.

wozza

I definitely think Vanderhoven7 is winning this round with Fisherman.

When I was in I had naughty thoughts of either Jerusalem being babylon the great ,seems more logical for the people of the times and into the future.

The WTS points to the Religions of this world as BTG ,and says the Political system and the Financial system are a part of the triad of Satan ,but if you look at all of them they have always been whores as a triad. Why can't Babylon the great be them riding the world empire of ,say ,Science and technology ?

Surely Science and technology could be considered a great force and powerful giving the atom bomb and war tools that bring so much misery to so many people. Amongst them are brilliant minds but they can't seem to work out that they are whoring their skills for prestige and fame!

Some may defend them claiming they are saving many thru scientific discoveries ,but is this not just the make-up of a whore ,painting up something insidiously diseased to be attractive? (Oops maybe Science is Babylon)

OK so before you think I'm nuts ,I was trying to demonstrate how flexible the bible is to change any real truthful meaning, at least that was my own original thoughts ,not like the WTS and the likes of them stealing others religious ideas .

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Nephilim...Only desired females

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

bible questions answered.

who were the nephilim?.

the bible account says that “the sons of the true god began to notice that the daughters of men were beautiful.” (genesis 6:2) those ‘sons of god’ were actually spirit creatures who rebelled against god when they “forsook their own proper dwelling place” in heaven, materialized human bodies, and “began taking as wives all whom they chose.”—jude 6; genesis 6:2.. the hybrids born from this unnatural union were no ordinary children.

wozza

So the spirits in heaven were around for the creation of people and yet it took all that time to suddenly " notice " the women on earth ? Sounds like a childs story ,perhaps the groaning the old witnesses heard was the returned spirits playing with each others willies!

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1975 selling of houses

by Paul Bonanno in

jw
friends

as 1975 was approaching, many witnesses sold their property.

do you know about specific cases that are willing to share their experience of doing so?.

wozza

If I had known about and read that 1969 Awake I never would have become a witness. My first study was in about 1974 with an elder and he had the faith in 1975 ,so when I asked him about the 1975 teaching he was a bit cagey at first but said that he thought it would happen then.

I said my soon to be MIL said nobody knows the day or hour ,he was awkward about this and I quit my study then but was sucked in later because my wife became a JW. But that Awake would have sealed it forever if I had known .

And another thing I remember is that at the time a lot of brothers were pedalling Life insurance for a living ,if they believed in 1975 they must have had good chuckle amongst themselves for those poor bastards about to die.

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Souls on Ice

by peacefulpete in

you may have seen the story of the couple who just gave birth to twins who developed from embryos frozen for 30 years.

i'm delighted for the parents and hope the twins grow to be healthy.

it does pose some questions for those who insist embryos are in fact humans with souls.

wozza

Which leads to what if someone is dying passes and then goes through a cryogenic process, does the spirit get locked in and frozen in time if the process is done 13 seconds (for example) after the last breath?

What if the process was late by 4 seconds and the spirit leaves to go to god ,does it crave to go back to the body later?

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Souls on Ice

by peacefulpete in

you may have seen the story of the couple who just gave birth to twins who developed from embryos frozen for 30 years.

i'm delighted for the parents and hope the twins grow to be healthy.

it does pose some questions for those who insist embryos are in fact humans with souls.

wozza

So would the soul be created in the embryo at the meeting of the sperm and egg ,or when the embryo starts multiplying ,or when the eventual feotus breaths it's first breath ?

Or perhaps the soul is the fertilized egg and has no spirit so therefore could be considered not a human life?