Posts by wozza

i overheard my wife listening to some update broadcast this morning and immediately thought would a true humanitarian such as jesus, mahatma gandhi or albert schweitzer be at all interested in such things?

these were 'people' persons not interesting in the stupid trappings of life.. if the gb were to sanction the building of hospitals, orphanages, refugee centers and the like, maybe we would have a little more respect for them but this ramapo project seems like a sense waste of time, energy and money.

wozza

I wonder if Jesus was involved years ago when the governing body sanctioned VHS tapes to be made for their teaching work .The problem with some of the copies was they were recycled VHS tapes with PORN still on them !

Remember that ,or maybe Jesus was at the privvy when that occurred.

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Was Satan in Heaven while Christ was crucified?

by Sharpie in

just a shower thought came to mind.. while jesus was nailed to the stake/cross (take your pick) because of the witnesses lack of belief in hell.

does that mean according to witness doctrine that satan and his demons were in heaven while jesus was being executed?.

what about after jesus went to heaven?

wozza

Heaven seems to be a totally different place compared to the local Kingdom Hall or any where true JW's are gathered.

An apostate in heaven can roam freely and speak and be spoken to ,but amongst JW people on earth apostates are condemned to hatred ,shown fear of ,thrown out of families just for not going to Kingdom hall anymore ,or questioning the enforced teachings of the governing body.

And yet none of us have ever been a Satan and corrupted gods crowning glory ,the first two people created made in gods image ,supposedly.

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Pioneer Hours Update

by Bartolomeo in

regular pioneers: 600 per year, 50 on average per month.auxiliary pioneers: 30 hours per monthauxiliary pioneers in march and april: fee reduced to 15 hours.

wozza

My ex wife used to do up to 130 hours a month

I guess when no one is special anymore they can't get up on a pedestal.

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Who raised Jesus from the dead?

by Blotty in

i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

wozza

@ Seabreeze

So does a memory stick weigh more when data is put on it? Really?

When you talk to someone do you weigh LESS when the sound comes out of your mouth?

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Just courius, some questions about the past

by Gorb in

jw
friends

curious.

time goes by so fast.

who remembers 1975, the ray franz incident, the generation change in 1995, the blood fractions, alternative service, participation in ochr, aid afrique, the historical research by james pellechia, jolene chu and johannes stephan wrobel?

wozza

@ Fisherman

Oh I remember the poorly written songs and how dreary some were. Is'nt it funny how they replaced their songs and song books over the years .

Alot like their teachings ,they became out of date ,and yet hymns of the churches can be beautiful and enduring in time. I think this just tells us how the WTS is just an imitator and failure.

Remember the half hearted droning of the congregations ,though sometimes one would hear a spirited singing voice ,undoubtly coming from someone seeking privileges or an over zealous pedophile hiding behind a kingdom song.

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Who raised Jesus from the dead?

by Blotty in

i have seen arguments surrounding jesus' resurrection being proof of "the trinity" - now while in some cases it's a good argument the evidence for it remains very weak.

(bible quotes are from the nwt but other bibles are referenced, use whichever you please) this following version of it is a good example.. "the bible indicates that all [persons] of the trinity was involved in jesus’ resurrection.

galatians[1:1] says that the father raised jesus from the dead.

wozza

@Seabreeze I'm curious to know (as animals have been brought into the conversation) ,if you believe animals have a soul /spirit combined or both things ?

This comes back to the WTS argument with Nephesh ,Ruah etc argument spirit or soul and how are they properly defined in light of the Bible.

The animals live physically like us and eat,defecate, get sickness and old age and die like us.

Do you believe they have a spirit that leaves the body? Where do they go? To me I see them live and die like us, thats the physical evidence.

You bring up things like Terminal Lucidity ,so do they possibly experience the same? Sort of like the fox I saw squashed on the road ,it looked like it was dead but then suddenly raised it's head and made a silent movement of its jaw as if crying out. I guess it was like the man I found on a rainy night who hit the back of a car on his motorcycle , his face was crushed and he was dying and trying to cry out but his jaw was not attached anymore.

See we live and experience similar things in life ,but just because my brain is bigger how come i am supposed to have a spirit/soul that can leave and be saved as a spirit?

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Are the teachings of JW—consistent?

by Fisherman in

i would belief so but if you can point something out, it can be discussed.. i don’t mean what jw taught in the past that they later realized was not correct and amended.

—unless you think and can show something like that is relevant.. i’ve spoken to a lot of believers from different religions.

i don’t want to bash any religion here under this topic but their beliefs are inconsistent and their reasons are sophistry and made up and grounded on circular reasoning.

wozza

@ Fisherman

From the comments you have given above ,in my opinion your thinking on things shows the WTS has been very successful in taking away any decency you may have had one time ,and replaced it with the creature worship you have for them.

So they may have been wrong, but, hey they are right now and that is all you need (and people should worship them like you do), mistakes have been made but they corrected them.

I find it hard to understand your blind reasoning on the WTS teachings. Some years ago I knew an elder and a MS who staked out a house at night to catch a couple out ,whether they had sex would be up to the couple to reveal. But the joy and excitement the two servants showed in going about this WTS ordained ploy was disturbing.

The way they conducted themselves in other peoples lives was disgusting and the WTS gave them the mental reliance to carry this out. You will probably discount this behaviour as trivial, but consider if it was christian to stake out the couple or see there might have been a core problem that the servants could have helped them with.

If your mental thinking is on this path ,perhaps you are totally taken over in thinking the WTS is right all the time.

Not unlike an OCD person who masterbates to porn habitually but can't see the harm behind the behaviour and the system that creates it!

This is not a personal attack on you but a plead to look outside the box?

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Babylon the Great

by Godlyman in

do jw's still believe that babylon the great is the empire of false religion?

inquiring minds want to know .

estephan.

wozza

Ah guess follow the money