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  "The Tower of sand"

  by Doug Mason in

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  my study on the pillars that create and support the existence of the governing body: "144,000", little flock, great crowd, and other sheep.. http://www.jwstudies.com/the_tower_of_sand.pdf.

  doug.

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  thank you Doug
  
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  What I really fear about JW.ORG

  by StarTrekAngel in

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  much has been written, twitted and youtubed about the extent to which the wtbts may go in order to keep its members from peeking out of the box.

  from name calling, constantly telling members about the dangers of apostasy, all the way to dfing anyone who dares to look outside.

  many tools and theories have been brought forward.

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  Would'nt it be fun to hack the JWorg files and put back the original WTS writings ?
  
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  Zone visit meeting Australasia region 7th march...

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  i'm sitting here now going insane with this program of fear, obligation and guilt!.

  oh man....seriously mind numbing.. i can't bring myself to share too much of it all now.... but i just want to get out...... tell you all more soon about the manipulative trash..... .

  anyone else go to this?

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  Those bloody yanks are so good at putting on a good show !
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  Is the rule of the "two witnesses" always applied in cases of apostasy?

  by Judge Rochefort in

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  hello there.

  this is my first thread here.i was wondering if anybody here could help me with a question that i have.my question is this: is it always applied the rule of the "two witnesses" in cases of apostasy?

  i'll put an example:if a jw is working with another jw and one of them is continuously talking about teachings contrary to the bible truth as taught by jehovah's witnesses, would the testimony of the other jw be enough to form a judicial committee?thanks!

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  What Jwleaks said ...great story puts it in perspective
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  has anyone seen vidio on youtube about why they changed cover of songbook search youtube jw.org embarrassment

  by poopie in

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  any thoughts.

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  The first edition could become a collectors edition
  
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  What would happen if life was found elsewhere?

  by HowTheBibleWasCreated in

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  see jws have said time and again jesus died once for all time... a quote from hebrews.

  okay rule out humn-like aliens what about animals plants and microbes... i once had a hot fight with an elder when i still believed that here was no reason to doubt alien animals etc.

  yet not based on any wt article witnesses reject this often.. lets suppose say in a month microbes are found on ceres (i doubt it will happen but let's roll with it) they are living as much as our cells are and reporduce... okay what would mother say in the magazines when millions of jehovah's witnesses demand to know why jehovah created microbes on a dwarf planet?.

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  If life or evidence of past life were found the WTS would just buy out a bit more time with a statement like this "The important thing is that the issue of Universal Sovereignty was settled once for all time here........" all the time hoping that nothing that contradicts the statement is found.
  
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  My wife is frightened about the end/ What to say without sounding Apostate?

  by suavojr in

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  my wife called me at work saying she is scared after reading today's daily text.

  i don't read it anymore, therefore i went online and found this.. tuesday, march 3 .

  those days will be cut short.matt.

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  Perhaps her fearfullness is actually based on her personal faith being weaker than she presumes is adequate for survival ,or firstly , what the GB regards as adequate.

  Maybe she has trouble coming to grips with all the changes in teaching over the years and does'nt feel confident in her faith , so gently, over time, pointing to the watchtower failings (after some good research) will free her of the fears ,by doing research together with her using their literature and "accidentily" stumbling upon their false and permanently changing reasonings she may have her eyes opened.
  
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  They are still lying, even though they revised the FAQ.

  by DATA-DOG in

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  do jehovahs witnesses feel that they are the only people who will be saved?.

  many millions who lived in centuries past and who werent jehovahs witnesses will have an opportunity for salvation.

  the bible explains that in gods promised new world, there is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous.

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  Good post DD it's always been that way in JW land ,when faced with this question when I was witnessing I found it hard to give the official answer to the question that I was trained to say , I always felt like I was speaking "with a forked tongue " so to speak ......eventually my conscience won out and I left.
  
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  would it have been different if we knew why?

  by sowhatnow in

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  i always took issue with the idea of no one knowing why a person got df.. i know im not alone.. i complained to my mother about this when i was younger, explaining that how do we know what it is that gets a person df if no one knows what they did?

  my moms answer was , .

  'if people knew a persons personal faults and what they did , others would not be so forgiving when they were reinstated, because we'd always view them with that view, so in other words, if when so n so, committed fornication, and the whole cong would know it, if they announced from the platform then his/her reputation would be permanently stained' .

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  If my memory serves me right ,in Israel did'nt they expose the sins publicly as well as the punishment

  As far as molesters go a committee today is set up and if say , 10 elders are on the body only the commitee knows the crimes of the molester and they don't neccessarily tell the rest of the body what that person has done ..........dumb bullshit religion
  
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  Does anyone remember a district overseer Joe Slaiman?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  joe slaiman and his wife jean were in the travelling work in australia throughout the 90's... ( i may have spelt the name incorrectly).

  anyone remember them?

  they were very well liked by many of the brothers and sisters.. i wonder what happened to him?

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  I remember Joe and his wife ,she seemed a lovely and popular lady at the time with lots of publishers wanting to work with her .
  

  At one assembly Joe was giving a talk in his usual way with his hands at times on the podium stand leaning forward with one leg characterlistically bent casually to the side ,later that day another speaker mentioned the to best speak at the podium was upright and not being to casual , mmmm I thought at the time.....is he having a go at Joe's style mmm. In any case he seemed one of the more approachable reps of the WTS and was popular.

  Worked with him on the field a few times and had a funny time at a householders door in Maslins Beach once when it was my turn to do a home a scantily dressed beautiful woman came bursting out from the side of the house ,well I was totally dumbstruck and lost for words , he just looked at me inquiringly and I nearly burst out laughing at myself and the situation but recovered to be told by her to P$$s off which we did .

  Another thing that happened was a couple of weeks before his visit to our hall was that I'd noticed a book of mormon in the bookcase of a friend who was a MS at the time and asked whether, in my zeal ,whether it was correct for him to have this book in his home citing that when I'd become a witless all the things of satans world had to go from my life ( I'd grown up as a mormon) ,well the friend took offence saying it was ok for him.

  Well when Joe came for his visit I was summoned to his caravan which was parked at the friends house as they had Joe and his wife for the visit. Joe then proceeded to discipline me saying that it was a conscience matter and I proceeded to challenge that and say what he thought then iff I had a book on spiritism just for referencing like my friend ,well he chastised me for that and said that was different.

  Well that was one of many times that I saw the inconsistency of those taking the lead as I found when I talked to other elders who pointed to the bible and watchtower etc ,thanks Joe for contributing to my questioning the WTS and it's ways, which i eventually left and I'd always thought you were'nt really going to last in that org ,I was'nt surprised to hear that he left ,and I heard alot of those crazy rumours about him and put it down to the same box that the Smurf stories came from.