Posts by Morbidzbaby

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Those of us who left the WT for less than noble reasons

by Aussie Oz in

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sometimes i feel like a second class apostate...not that anyone has ever said anything to make me feel that way, i just do, you know what i mean?.

i left the jws because i just couldn't fight my flesh anymore.

the battle inside was going to kill me literally.

Morbidzbaby

Agreeing with LWT.

Oz, My story is similar to yours, but I had doubts from an early age. It was when I was older and living in a loveless marriage, fighting with my husband all the time, being controlled and not allowed to do this or that or say what I wanted or be my true self that I finally cracked. I couldn't handle it anymore. We had children, and I was nothing more than a slave to him...a nanny and a maid. I was not his wife. He didn't love me and he proved it over and over again. I, like you, "committed adultery" in order to get out of my marriage. We were already separated at the time, and I lost my children as well. But...I HAD to get out! I was on anti-depressants for over a year after I left, just to be able to feel NORMAL and actually not try to kill myself. I had some freedom, but then I was sucked back into the JW's and I really gave it one last go (I had already been a member of this site and was in that "doubting" period where I wondered "what if they're right??"). I finally had it a little over a year and a half ago and I quit meetings, quit everything. I now live in sin with my wonderful amazing boyfriend and haven't looked back. I am amazed at how many people accept me for who I am...the TRUE person I am. My bf doesn't judge me when I have a mood swing or when I am aggravated from a bad day at work. He doesn't try to force me into a family study. Most of all, he loves me and let's me know it every single day. And the way he is to me is like being splashed with ice water when I realize that THIS is what is normal...and it makes me really understand the depth of the abuse I endured. I don't know how the hell I did it for all those years being married.

Although you left for reasons other than knowing the truth about the Truth, you know it NOW and you're working on your kids. You speak out about the WTBTS. That makes you an apostate in my book!

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Please dont be guilty of committing the sins you have indicted the WatchTower of

by mankkeli in

please dont be guilty of the sins you have indicted the wt of commiting.

something is common to all on this discussion board, we are quick at castigating the watchtower.

although, i understand your reasons for doing so, but i will warn you not to be guilt of the same offense the wt had committed.

Morbidzbaby

NRFG: PLEASE tell me that post was totally sarcastic and that's NOT how you really feel... I'd hate to think we've lost you back to the bOrg...

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Please dont be guilty of committing the sins you have indicted the WatchTower of

by mankkeli in

please dont be guilty of the sins you have indicted the wt of commiting.

something is common to all on this discussion board, we are quick at castigating the watchtower.

although, i understand your reasons for doing so, but i will warn you not to be guilt of the same offense the wt had committed.

Morbidzbaby

Every last one who left left because The Organization apostisized. The org left us. We believed we were following the One to whom salvation belongs.

Well, not all of us...Some were brought into this filth of a cult by birth and had no choice in the matter. Some of us quit believing at a very young age, but had no choice but to continue on into adulthood for fear of losing family and friends (because the only ones we had were also enslaved to the cult). Some of us are not believers whatsoever in anything Biblical and don't believe in salvation, etc. Those of us who fall in this category DID leave the Organization and are vocal about our non-belief, so in that sense I feel that we ARE apostates. And I wear the moniker proudly.

As for not judging, etc... Well, honestly, how many of us can say we don't judge at ALL? It's human nature. That's why the saying "The first impression is a lasting impression" exists. We are judged and we judge others based on what we perceive them to be from what they portray of themselves. We NEED to judge others in order to make certain we aren't falling into the hands of people who are unsavory or dangerous...or even simply to make sure we are associating ourselves with people we will get along with.

There are certain "unsavory" characters who visit and troll this board who ARE guilty of the same types of crimes against individuals as the Watchtower is. Calling them out on their behavior isn't judging, it's stating truth from their own words. It's also warning others about their activities (which include lying, fabricating stories for sensationalism to attract others to their "Cause", stealing photos from other websites and claiming they are one person when they are not, misquoting, quote mining, etc). I think it's only fair that those who are new to this board are made aware of the habits of such people and know to take them with a huge grain of salt...like...horse salt-lick size.

As for OUTLAW and others, they bring an air of comedy and lightness to otherwise serious subjects. The funny thing is, you say we should examine ourselves and whether we show our true colors to the outside world...yet you call out certain members of this board who DO JUST THAT.

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Stupid reasons why songs are labeled "bad"

by WTWizard in

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one, i have heard that, since boy george was on heroin, that listening to culture club would amount to taking it yourself.

to me, that is a lame excuse to ruin a song or discography.. another example was michael jackson's thriller album.

they wanted me to get rid of that album because i would be "supporting that apostate" by listening to cuts from it.

Morbidzbaby

Oy... I wasn't allowed to listen to Culture Club because of "that Boy George...he's a homo and he dresses like a girl...he's bad, so you can't listen to his music!" Also Michael Jackson was off-limits because he was "disfellowshipped", so apparently listening to his music was tantamount to allowing him to speak to me and thus, it was association *eye roll*. Madonna wasn't allowed, either.

That was just my childhood...when I was an adult, I wasn't allowed to listen to Metallica, Disturbed, Evanescence (even though I knew a TON of JW's who listened to them), if a song said "ass", "damn", "hell"...I had to skip over that part when I was singing it or replace it with "butt", "darn", or "heck". Stupid, considering they are words that replace expletives but the meaning is still the same.

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Returning to the scene of the crime

by donny in

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in just a few hours i will be heading back to the dallas area for a 10 day visit with the family.

i am returning to the scene of the crime where i apostasized just over 19 years ago.

it will be great seeing many of my friends but i always wonder how many of my ol' jw co-horts are still towing the line.. have a great saturday!!

Morbidzbaby

Dude, too bad you're going to be about an hour away, all of us DFW area 'poztates could have gotten together!

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got my divorce summons....wow it got even weirder

by oompa in

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we are both scared and we let each other know ......me for loosing a good woman twice in thirty years....both jw btw....her for losing me....

Morbidzbaby

Ugh *sigh*. I'm so sorry. Divorce sucks, even when you don't love the person anymore...I can only imagine how it is when you do!

I really have no advice, dear...only to say that it does get better, the pain does dull and eventually go away, and then you heal and are ready to move on...whether to someone or someTHING better.

*hugs*

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Embarrassed As A Witness

by EmptyInside in

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even as a witness,i was uncomfortable talking about everything we believed.

i remember working with my brother out and service and he found an interested person.

my brother was sharing information out of the bible teach book.

Morbidzbaby

I quit talking at doors when I was 14... After that, I was always just along for the ride with whoever my service partner was (usually my ex-husband). I was always embarrassed to hear what the JW's believed (and I didn't believe) being spouted at the door or during a bible study...or when a new person was at the KH! I knew we looked like freaks to these people and I hated it! I refused to speak at the doors or answer because I could NOT bring myself to lie to innocent people and have a hand in bringing them into the cult.

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Even what they printed a couple of months ago is old because Jehovah is moving so fast! From last nights letter on Gilead.

by life is to short in

the gilead letter was read last night at the meeting, i had to listen in as they have reinstated my phone line, whatever.. so anywho the service overseer gave the part and he said that jehovah's organization is moving so fast that even what they have printed just a few months ago is now old and they just received a letter from the fs that was to be read tonight from the fs!.

the way he read it, he made it very exciting and like jehovah's chosen religion is moving so fast that it can hardly keep up and the letter was just proof.

the way this elder read the letter it made it sound like the married couples school is going to be so wonderful that it would suppress gilead in wonderfulness.. the elder doing the part then went on and on about how our educational programs are so much, much better than anything out in satan's world.

Morbidzbaby

Perhaps the WTBTS should train them to Occupy People homes until they convert to JW's.

Or until the Big A comes and said homeowners are destroyed with a flaming ball of sulphur, leaving the home for those wonderful JW's that "did more in the service" by "serving where the need is greater"...*tongue planted firmly in cheek*

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Let the shunning begin, apparently...(long-winded)

by lilbluekitty in

my father and i have been going back and forth on facebook in private messages.

it had been since august that my dad had contacted me, before i was beginning to "come out" about not wanting to be a jw, and actually i haven't actually stated that to any of my family or jw friends yet, as i was hoping to do the fade thing.. well i wrote to my dad and he has recently been very sr (self-righteous) lately and was copy/pasting "answers" to my questions right out of the wt cd-rom.

i called him on it and asked him to speak out of his heart.

Morbidzbaby

I feel for you. I myself moved 1800 miles away from my family and any JW's I knew. Only, I'm not married, I'm actually living with my bf...which alone could get me DF'ed, so it's kind of a secret of sorts. However, I don't make it a point to hide it like I did in the beginning. I post things about him and us on Facebook, I posted what we did for my birthday, and I will post about our Halloween, Thanksgiving, and Christmas as well. I'm really at the point where I just don't give a crap. I love my parents, but my mom brought me into that f'ed up cult as a fetus...hell, I was associated with the JW's when I was still in her ovary. I didn't have a choice. My dad converted later on and stated (and I quote) "You know if you leave the Truth, we can't associate with you...if you stop going to meetings and decide to start hanging around with worldly people, we can't have anything to do with you". This from a man that I associated with and loved UNCONDITIONALLY even though he was "worldly scum" my whole life. I guess it's different when the shoe is on the other foot. I have had to accept that shunning me will be their choice if they decide to do it. And while sometimes it hurts, most days I'm okay with it. As it stands, my mom only calls once every 5-6 weeks and we speak for all of 5 minutes. Usually it's just her making sure I'm still alive and not lying dead in a gutter somewhere. The minute I mention my bf, she gets all quiet and decides she has to go. Whatever. He's a part of my life, a part of me, and if she can't accept that then I really don't need her, do I?

If you worry about being found out, don't post on FB anything incriminating. If you just don't care anymore, do what you want. That's the great thing about personal freedom. You have that right and that power to choose. It's THEM that will make the conscious choice of whether or not to shun you. And, honestly, who needs people like that in their life?

When I moved, I hadn't been to a meeting in a year...nor an assembly or convention, and I skipped the Memorial for the first time. I didn't give the elders any phone number or address, nor an area that I was moving to. The congregations here have no record or knowledge that I even exist. So, as far as they know right now, I'm off the grid. My parents have an address, but it isn't where I live. And of course, they have a phone number. I got so good at dodging the elders that I've made a habit of not answering unknown calls...and I don't bat an eyelash about it. I used to get nervous and have anxiety attacks, etc. Now it's just not an issue anymore.

So, I guess just go on with your life and it's really your choice to post or not post what's going on in your world. Just know that whatever you decide to do will have to be what's best for YOU and not for anyone else.

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You're not supposed to contact Ex-JWs children at all?

by Hairyhegoat in

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the society has been cracking down hard on parents having contact with children who have left.

for a long time, it was kind of a "wink-wink" thing with the "necessary family business" loophole, and a lot of families found some relief with that.. but in the latest magazines and assembly parts, they're making it crystal-clear that pretty much nothing except a death in the family counts as "necessary family business".

and even then, you probably wouldn't be invited to the funeral.. the key is, they don't actually define what "necessary family business" is in the article.

Morbidzbaby

Is it just DF'ed or DA'ed kids, or does it apply to us inactive but not-so-secretly apostate ones, too??