LOL @ Nomad... Nope.
NC I agree... I always leave feeling a bit let down. I mean, cake is great...if there's ice cream, even better... But a beheading? It just brings everything together, I think.
it turns out that this isn't a common occurrence at these things.
don't get me wrong, i still had a good time.
but i was so looking forward to seeing my first decapitation..
LOL @ Nomad... Nope.
NC I agree... I always leave feeling a bit let down. I mean, cake is great...if there's ice cream, even better... But a beheading? It just brings everything together, I think.
some ex-jws feel strongly we should all be "out of the closet" so we can present real faces to the public on the issue of cult dangers.
to those folks i say, more power to you, all the best.. for my own life i have a different approach.. compartmentalizing is healthy for me.
it keeps my past in the past.
Keeping quiet about it isn't always easy. There are days when I want to tell everyone I see just how dangerous the JW's are. And there are days when I want to forget that part of my life ever happened. Sometimes I don't care who sees what I post, and other times I fear that eventually things I say will get reported to the elders (which has happened already...). Why do I care anymore? Who knows? I still deal with some deeply-ingrained fears even though these men and their silly little club have no power over me whatsoever. I think when I can finally get past that (which I think getting DF'ed will in and of itself remedy that), I will probably no longer care.
Rebel8, it's completely understandable that you don't want the stigma of recovering from childhood abuse or from being raised in a cult. It's important to be able to keep those things out of your present life, especially considering your career. I don't think I'd want to be viewed in any sort of negative light or have any type of stigma attached to me if I were high-profile.
For those who are brave enough to put their stories out there and be a support to those who are exiting even though they choose to remain anonymous, your hard work is recognized and appreciated. You take a huge risk of being outed every single time you share a part of your experience with us. For the most part, we all know the feeling of constantly looking over your shoulder and wondering when or if the ax is going to fall. You stick your neck out to help others on a regular basis and we love you for it.
For those who can and do put a face to "apostasy" and show what victims of the Watchtower look like, THANK YOU. Your efforts in this regard have helped and continue to help many who are on the fence or are just starting to question. Letting those people know that apostates aren't all evil and wild-eyed and looking to get followers is a key in helping them to actually LISTEN.
some ex-jws feel strongly we should all be "out of the closet" so we can present real faces to the public on the issue of cult dangers.
to those folks i say, more power to you, all the best.. for my own life i have a different approach.. compartmentalizing is healthy for me.
it keeps my past in the past.
Double post
it turns out that this isn't a common occurrence at these things.
don't get me wrong, i still had a good time.
but i was so looking forward to seeing my first decapitation..
Yeah it's not really a great time until someone loses their noggin. I mean, sure it seems like all fun and games, but when heads roll that's when the REAL fun begins.
Soccer, anyone??
when i first watched the movie "tangled" with my daughter this scene really creeped me out and made me think of the borg.
it seems with the title of a convention talk "motivate rightheartedones to love .
.their spiritual mother (proverbs 6:20)" they want to bring back the term "mother" for the next generation.
I felt the same way with that scene, discreetslave. What particularly gets me is that the entire schpiel about Rapunzel staying in the tower for her protection hits way too close to home. Stay inside, the world is a scary place, etc.
When I was in (not so long ago), I did hear several references at DC's and CA's about listening to and obeying "mother". It kind of shocked me... I couldn't believe they were referencing the GB as "mother". It's such a stretch.
My only question is...where in the bible does it say that the FDS/the org is the JW's mother??? I know in Revelation is talks about the bride and the bridegroom, but the bride is supposedly the heavenly organization made up of the 144,000 is it not? And the bridegroom is Jesus, not Jehovah...which means the bridegroom is NOT "father", so how is the bride "mother"? Unless Jehoobie is commiting adultery with his "daughter-in-law" . And wouldn't those annointed on earth be considered part of "mother" as well if the Watchtower were somehow able to explain away the above logic? And yet nobody asks those annointed who aren't on the GB what their opinion is. Nobody listens to them. They'd be considered apostate and thrown out on their ass just as fast as the rest of us if they dared to question anything...even though they are supposed to be a part of the "channel".
there are some major problems with the jws, doctrinally, socially, and organizationally.
from shunning to crazy elder bodies to guilt trips, there are many things that were really bad.
this thread is devoted to the small, insignificant things that just really really irked you.
I hated being on a study with a sister and being asked to say the prayer. Um...I don't pray to begin with. And now you want me to mumble and stutter through a prayer on behalf of YOUR student? Do it your dang self!
Field service was an annoyance to me. I didn't want to be out there, I didn't want to push a religion I was "iffy" on. For a long time, I felt that people should be left alone to live their lives their way and let "god" judge them.
I hated when we would go out after meetings and conventions and people STARED because of us being all dressed up and conspicuous. What was worse was when someone at our table would inevitably pipe up and try to "witness" to the waitress.
I hated the JW's who thought that leaving a TRACT in their hotel room or on the table at a restaurant was equivalent to a tip!! I knew someone who did this regularly. Or someone who left $2 as a tip, standard. No matter how much the meal cost, no matter if our room was always clean. $2. Also taking more than their fair share at the "continental breakfast" or filling their entire cooler with ice for the day. No wonder a lot of hotels were dropping off the "approved" list!
Also those that gave outgoing talks and were "hosted"...but brought a million extra people with them who were NOT family and the "host family" was expected to feed everyone.
I hated pioneering and being told I would be "helped" to get my hours...and then when the time came, no one was around even though we had a lot of pioneers in our congregation.
@Puff, I told my BF (he's never been a JW, but he enjoys the funny stories) about the change in the donation box thing and he cracked up and said "Hell yeah! Sounds like something I would do!".
did you ever see those parents with kids on leashes at conventions?
i always disliked it and thought it was wierd/lazy...granted i have never been a parent so maybe i dont know.
video reminded me how silly/messed up those leashes are.. .
mrsjones hit the nail on the head. There are just some children whose safety depends on using a "leash". I used one on my children and if this little one is as adventurous as my other kids, I'll be using one again. Thankfully, they come in less "leash-like" versions now. Unicorns, teddy bears, dogs, monkeys...they look like little stuffed animal backpacks and the "tail" is the leash. Makes it a bit easier for the child to accept.
I used to be one of those judgmental people who looked at parents who used a leash and thought "Jeez, you can't control your kid??".
Then I had kids of my own. No. You can't control them. It isn't about CONTROLLING them, as they are autonomous human beings, just like their adult counterparts. It's about letting them explore their world in as safe a manner as possible. Some children are content to hold mommy or daddy's hand and walk around without an issue. Others take off like a shot the second your grip loosens.
I would much rather be judged by a stranger for putting my child's safety as a priority than not use a leash on a willful child and end up losing them in the split second it takes for them to break away and make a run for it. Anything can happen...getting hit by a car, getting kidnapped, falling down a flight of stairs at the mall. You just never know.
we've discussed this before, but i wanted to collate comments under this one heading.
we all know how the wts has spoken against gambling.
that is something i can understand because for some, gambling can lead to serious addiction problems.
They seem to flip-flop on this stance a lot. I remember reading in one of the books that was released at a convention a few years back that any type of sport where the participants had to protect themselves like Gladiators did is not something Jehovah looks on with favor. I thought it was incredibly stupid. So that took out American football, hockey...and other "contact" sports.
In congregations I attended, they went back and forth between having baseball games after the meetings on Sundays to not having anything at all. Other times, they would have "congregation picnics" and some of the brothers would play football, but it was "touch" football or "flag" football. But some of those brothers...damn, they WENT FOR IT. Full-body tackles and all. You'd think they were playing for the Heisman.
a bit ago i posted a close family member was finally seeing the wts for what it isn't.
i spoke too soon and many warned me.
it turns out circular thinking has sunk it's teeth in deep and will not release.. it's very sad because i know what the end result is going to be.
Unfortunately, when it comes to trying to get them to see TTATT, it's always one step forward, two steps back. Until (and IF) they become truly ready, it's going to be a slow slow process.
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/05/ny-bill-takes-aim-at-nasty-online-commenters.html.
I agree with that, rebel8. The bullying should have to be proven beyond a doubt. The post number, etc. should have to be included in the complaint so that it can be looked into further.