Posts by palmtree67

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Imperfection is irrelevant. Who has the right to rule?

by bluecanary in

we started this discussion on another thread, but i didn't want to derail the topic at hand.

here's where we stand so far:.

reniaa:.

palmtree67

Excuse me, mkr....

This thread was on topic until now.

Your post once again directs attention to Reniaa and does not even have 1 comment about the topic: Who has the right to rule?

Try again, hunny......

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27 MILLION Americans On Anti-Depressants!

by minimus in

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friends

reuters has an article stating that since 1996 it was at 13 million and now it has skyrocketed.. have you ever been on these meds?

almost everyone i know has at one time or another... so far, not me yet..

palmtree67

I'm the only female in my family NOT on anti-depressants.

I think it's because I eat chocolate every day. That's right....EVERY day.

I'm not saying this will work for everybody, but it works for me!

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So I Finally Got My Invitation...

by darkl1ght3r in

...to the district convention.

hand deliverd by the drama director himself, who also happens to be my uncle.

i even got my very own copy of the 'how can you survive the end of the world?

palmtree67

Excellent rant, darklighter.

I, like Blue, hate trying to figure out how to type your name.

I dub thee.....darklighter.

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Imperfection is irrelevant. Who has the right to rule?

by bluecanary in

we started this discussion on another thread, but i didn't want to derail the topic at hand.

here's where we stand so far:.

reniaa:.

palmtree67

"In ancient times God chose who his spokes man would be..

Today God has no choice..

The WBT$ governing Body has chosen themselves as Gods spokes men.."

Exactly, OUTLAW!! Well said.

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Imperfection is irrelevant. Who has the right to rule?

by bluecanary in

we started this discussion on another thread, but i didn't want to derail the topic at hand.

here's where we stand so far:.

reniaa:.

Yes, I think we do each attain independant adult staus with god. But I don't think another human can dictate when that is. It's personal between you and God. The same as with children. Some are independant quicker than others.

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Imperfection is irrelevant. Who has the right to rule?

by bluecanary in

we started this discussion on another thread, but i didn't want to derail the topic at hand.

here's where we stand so far:.

reniaa:.

palmtree67

Ok, I have more to say. (Sorry)

I also don't want the kind of relationship with my children where they live their life in fear of displeasing me. Now, my children know when I am going to be displeased with something.....(See the thread I started about my daughter's arrest.)

But even when they REALLY screw up, I want them to know that I would NEVER stop loving them, or being there for them. I wouldn't want my children to live in fear of me cutting them off.

This is another area in which I think the GB over-steps God's intentions towards us. They seem to want to portray Him as constantly being displeased with us.....I'm not sure that's how God is.

This understanding has been a big step for me. The time away from the congregation has actually made me feel much closer to God.

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Imperfection is irrelevant. Who has the right to rule?

by bluecanary in

we started this discussion on another thread, but i didn't want to derail the topic at hand.

here's where we stand so far:.

reniaa:.

palmtree67

Interesting food for thought here, Blue.

I don't know if you beleive in God or not, but I do. But does he have "the right to rule?" I guess so, to a degree. This is how I thinnk of it:

The GB is always saying Jehovah is our "Heavenly Father". The Bible says the same. All of us are "sons and daughters".

If this is the kind of relationship that god wants to have with us (parent to child), then what does having the "right to rule" mean?

When my children were small, I probably had the "right to rule" over them. I told them when to go to bed, when to bath, what to eat or not eat, what to wear, etc......In many ways, when children are young, parents have "life or death authority" over them.

But children progress and grow. I have an adult son, whom I really have no authority over, and a teenage daughter, who I have less and less authority over. (*sigh* that's a whole 'nother thread....)

I don't expect my children to live their lives for me. It makes me happy to see some of the decisions they make for themselves, even if they are not the decisions I would make for them, or even for myself. When they screw up, they'll learn from it. I can't protect them from the consequences, only be there for them if things are tough. I don't want my children to feel they have to live their life a certain way just to make me happy. I want genuine happiness for them, and I don't think you can be genuinely happy in life when you are constantly bending your desires to someone else's.

Back to the question: Who has the right to rule?

I think God does. But as a "loving heavenly father", I'm not sure he wants to rule absolutely over us. The myriads of rules (especially the damaging ones) of the GB I no longer believe reflect how God wants to deal with us.

I think God wants what I want for my children - for them to become full-grown, responsible people, having the life skills necessary to make the best decisions they can. And when it doesn't work out, He should be there for us to support us, as any parent would be for their children.

I think the GB is taking away our indivual responsibility to God and trying to regulate too much of our life.

I hope this makes sense. I'm only on my first coffee of the day.....

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Watchtower Moving its Headquarters from USA?

by Amazing in

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friends

i may be behind times, but i have not seen this issue come up.

i have had some contact with jws inside the organization who said that the society is planning to move its headquarters from brooklyn, ny to canada, lock, stock, and barrel.

is this an urban legend, a jw pulling my leg, or is it factual?

palmtree67

"What do they need Brooklyn for?"

Do you have any idea how much that property is worth these days......

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easier to leave...born ins or joined later???...i know the answer........

by oompa in

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well at least i know it from my own friends and geographic region........... but i will wait to hear your response....i am fourth gen btw...and unfortunately birthed.... and did a good job at raising a fifth dammit....oompa.

palmtree67

I was born in. But I feel I was forced out. I also feel disillusioned. I am at that point where I feel I have had the rug pulled out from under my feet and I am still struggling to get up. Everything I was taught was truth, everything I thought was right, everything I thought God wanted from me.....It was all wrong.

And now I'm not sure what to replace it with.

Amazingly, although my life is in chaos right now, I feel happier, safer, and more at peace than I ever have before.....

Explain THAT one, OOomps!!!

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What made me take "The Red Pill"?

by God_Delusion in

what made me open my eyes after 30 years and smell the coffee?

and why did i accept the red pill, but my parents and everyone else is content with the blue pill?.

has anyone done any research as to what wakes us up?.

palmtree67

Baba Yaga,

One of the wisest posts I have ever read. I have much to think about tonite because of it.

Thank-you,