Posts by AlexHall

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Why Do So Many DF'd End In Some Sort Of Trouble?

by african GB Member in

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most ex-jw's df/da that i know end up living a dangerous life.

some get into drugs, prostitution, gangsterism,etc.

as a result they prove the jw theory that says "whoever leaves jehovah's organisation won't make it" right.. it's difficult for me to say this, but it seems like jw's are partly right on this one.. why do most ex-dubs end up in a predicament of some sort?

AlexHall

I would love to see some evidence to prove that point before admitting to the viewpoint, but lets for the sake of this argument say that you are right and that a mayority of the ex-jw´s get into some kind of trubles when they leave.

I´ve actually seen this kind of behavior with people that were and still are witnesses. They were held so hard by their parents, and as soon as they moved to their own apartments they started to live a life more like "normal" people, and in some extent even worse. It like a holding a spring really tense, when you let go, it springs loose rather violently.

The same principle is prob. accurate with alot of ex-jw´s. All those stupid things we should have done before the age of 25, piles up and we wanna experience life in its fullest as soon as we are free. For some that still are Jw´s but want out can also choose a destructive way, just because they can´t handle the preassure of leaving by their own accord. I know I almost did.

I think that a lot of people that seek religion have a need to belong to something bigger. Something to fill up the hole. Problem is that in some causes we don´t mind what fills the hole, as long as it is full. A lot of bad things happens because we "socialize" with the wrong people... That part, the wittness actually got right...

The psycological abuse of being df and shunned by all those that used to love you can be a hard blow to our minds. To be forced into solitute can make us do stupid things. Having no support, no friends and to be left without guidance leave us wandering a path we no longer have the map for.

Perhaps the witnesses got it right: Those that leave the organisation might get into some problems. The only reason why they are right is beacuse they create the cirumstances for the problem to arise

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Did Adam & Eve have bellybuttons?

by Colton in

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discuss..

AlexHall

Probably not. According to the bible, they weren´t born from the womb of a woman, and no umbellicocord was present. Why would the have a bellybutton?

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Can a person who changed his/her sex be an elder?

by outofthebox in

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let's say you (yes you) are a man, but you changed your sex.

and now you look like a woman.

now, you become a witness.

AlexHall

Haha, its impressive to see such things still concern the elders of the congregations. I love that they can find rules with no scriptual backing of the ruling. But why should I be supriced? this year as a shunned ex-jw should have taught me that much.

Btw, what constitutes as male/female in the congregation? Is it our chromosomes? or what we have below waist? Who decides this?

If you are born "between" sexes and the doctors decide this at birth, have they then created your gender and that you must stay like this? So many questions, and no answer...

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Why should I believe the Bible?

by wobble in

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i don't ask for myself,but my son said last night that he sees no reason to take any notice of a book written by men over many centuries.. could the believers on here give me some ammunition to shoot across his bows to at least get him to consider the bible's merits?.

i am familiar with the arguments against he bible,and my son is familiar with the wt defense of the bible and is not convinced.. thanks in advance,.

love.

AlexHall

It doesnt seem that we will "know" if the bible is God´s word, untill the day we die. But there are some interesting things that are written down in the bible, that we might use to learn more about ourselfs and grow as humans. He should not belive in the bible, but instead weight every word and see what logic and good sence he can learn. The teachings of Jesus is often a teaching of love and understanding, something we can all use.

But that the bible is God´s word and automatic Holy, won´t help him in a search for "truth". An open mind is the best approach

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should Elders be held resposible......................

by KAYTEE in

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should elders be held financially responsible for actions and decisions that they get wrong?

in my very last congregation we needed some form of heating, in the body of elders there was no air condition expertise at all.. this did not stop them buying a 3,500 unit for this purpose, there was at the time two refrigeration engineers in the hall (myself and another), we were not approached for our input into this purchase.. the outcome was as usual a complete white elephant, it did not work.

3,500 pounds lost.

AlexHall

The elders are only human. They make misstakes, they are arrogant, and belive that they have all the facts. To lay down the facts and showing that they made a misstake should be enought. An elder that can´t show humility and admit when he fails, should not be an elder. And since "we" no longer belive that they have been guided by the holy spirit, we have no reason to show them respect, when they don´t deserve it

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Do you think your JW family REALLY hates you? Or do they THINK they love you?

by BonaFide in

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i am referring to some of us that have had bad experiences with our jw family and friends.

even those of us that are "active" but we have expressed certain things about the organization.. do you really feel your witness family hates you?

or does your family think they are being loving to you by doing things "jehovah's way?".

AlexHall

Yea, that is true. But our relatives that claim they love us but still shun us still belive that we in some sense are evil and deserve that faith.

Or they belive that God will make everything right and save us in the last second. They somehow feel that they love God more than their family

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Anyone from Sweden here?

by AlexHall in

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hi.. im new to the posting-part of this forum and was wondering if there s any other ex-witnesses from sweden in here?.

i v been reading a lot of the topics here and i have to admit it have helped me to start seeing the bigger picture.

it took almost a whole year as a ex-borg before i grew the courage to start reading "apostate" information.

AlexHall

Nope, never been to the meetings here. Although one of my uncles lives here in jkpg, he´s a witness. I had a friend in linköping. Tobbe. If I remeber correkt they were four in the family, and the younger daughter left the cong. several years ago.

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Do you think your JW family REALLY hates you? Or do they THINK they love you?

by BonaFide in

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i am referring to some of us that have had bad experiences with our jw family and friends.

even those of us that are "active" but we have expressed certain things about the organization.. do you really feel your witness family hates you?

or does your family think they are being loving to you by doing things "jehovah's way?".

AlexHall

I have had som experience with family-members shunning me. I was kicked out about a year ago, and since then I have heard nothing from my brother, one of my sisters and my father. Those I had the most contact with as a witness is those that refuses to talk to me now. Instead its been my mother and my other sister that has helped me and been there for me.

I have to belive they do it out of love. They truley belive that their are doing something good. By shunning me, they belive that they can "force" me to see the truth and come back. What I can´t understand is how this can be something good. If I wanna come back to the congregation it should be because I love God and belive that the Witnesses is the holy spirit insipired org, not because I wanna meet my family again.

But I can´t condem them for what they are doing. They are simply following their belives, and doing what they have been taught to belive.

Or as Jesus said before he died: Forgive them, because they don´t know what they are doing... ;)

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Anyone from Sweden here?

by AlexHall in

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hi.. im new to the posting-part of this forum and was wondering if there s any other ex-witnesses from sweden in here?.

i v been reading a lot of the topics here and i have to admit it have helped me to start seeing the bigger picture.

it took almost a whole year as a ex-borg before i grew the courage to start reading "apostate" information.

AlexHall

Wow!

So many posts. It really warms my heart to see that so many takes a personal interest :)

Ah, so some other sweeds have come here to, nice to see that Im not alone.

I´v been to hjalpkallan.se but actually like the topics and the flow of the communication better here.

Oh, clueless, then we are practically neibors. From Norrköping orgininally but lives in Jönköping now.

tanks all for the support. take care

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Anyone from Sweden here?

by AlexHall in

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hi.. im new to the posting-part of this forum and was wondering if there s any other ex-witnesses from sweden in here?.

i v been reading a lot of the topics here and i have to admit it have helped me to start seeing the bigger picture.

it took almost a whole year as a ex-borg before i grew the courage to start reading "apostate" information.

AlexHall

Hi.

Im new to the posting-part of this forum and was wondering if there´s any other ex-witnesses from sweden in here?

I´v been reading a lot of the topics here and I have to admit it have helped me to start seeing the bigger picture. It took almost a whole year as a ex-borg before I grew the courage to start reading "apostate" information. The psycological damage this experience have done is hard for many to understand, but it feels good to be on the other side of the fence now.

Feels good to be where I am now, although I feel I´v lost some guidence in life. Its a scary feeling when your whole security-net is gone and everything you were rasied to belive is wrong

Anyhow, Im looking forward to making your accuaintance. Take care alle