Posts by keeshondgirl

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If you had to choose one...

by PSacramento in

if you have to choose one book or letter of the nt that best describes what it is to be a christian, which one would you choose?.

if you perfer to choose a chapter and verse, that is cool too !.

of course if you feel that more than one is needed, who am i to argue ?.

keeshondgirl

snow bird, what translation is that from?

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Have you Overcome Guilt & Fear Since Exiting Jehovah's Witnesses ?

by flipper in

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minimus had a great thread recently asking if any who were witnesses felt guilt as a jehovah's witness.

thought i would build on that a little dealing with how you have moved on after being a jehovah's witness ?.

one definition of guilt in the american heritage dictionary is : " self-reproach for supposed inadequacy or wrongdoing ".

Luckily,I was only a JW for 5 yrs. At first I felt very guilty for not attending meetings or field service. I was never terrified about armaggeddon so that didn't bother me. I just felt guilty because of the idea that meetings and field service saves you and when a person stops doing those things then you are disappointing Jehovah. It only took a few months to get over the guilt and fear for me. I stopped going at the end of last december and I kept thinking that I would attend the memorial, out of fear and guilt, but when that time rolled around my husband and I did not attend because we no longer felt that it was important and that the watchtower followers do not have the truth. I finally feel FREE to be me!! No one has came to see how we are doing. its like we are being shunned, even though we aren't disfellowshipped.

I had a good JW friend, or so I thought, send us an email saying we are serving satan because we don't go to meetings.she is very convinced we are going to die. she grew up in the religion so you know her mind is a mess, she could never leave because thats where all her family and friends are. she is controlled without even knowing it. I feel bad for her, but she won't even communicate with me at this point. I am happy I seen 'the light' after 5 years and am free to move on. I do not have family that are jw so it was easier to leave. many events led husband and I to doubt the watchtower it just took time for us to tell one another what was bothering us and then we left. we held what we felt from one another thinking we would stumble eachother. another control tactic of the watchtower was telling you if you think you may stumble someone then refrain from doing it or else you could commit a death sin. so naturally we didnt tell eachother what we felt. So, freedom is what we now have and sweet it is.

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Ever had some Witness storm out or turn off a Movie you were watching! Which one?

by Witness 007 in

i was watching steve martin "leap of faith" pg rated mind you with some witnesses.

he plays a fake faith healer.

their were a couple swear words, and the brothers asked me to switch it off.. same thing happened with christine applegate movie {pg 13} "don't tell mom the babysiters dead.

keeshondgirl

harry potter. I wanted to watch it so bad but felt guilty of even thinking of watching it. they would say at the platform that it was demonic because of the magic in it and everyone from our cong. felt that way. Now my husband and I watch it whenever we want...guilt-free!!

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PRIVATE PROPERTY! KEEP OUT!

by highdose in

how many times have we all seen that sign in the minstry?

also " no salesman" , " no harkers" etc.

in my congo it was the policy to ignore these completly, the poor people who just wanted to be left alone never had a chance.. i on the otherhand used to use it as an exhuse to fast forward on to the next house and finish up the ministry quicker.... what was your experiance?.

keeshondgirl

If a no trespassing sign was faded and not new looking, the people I was often in the car with would say the homeowner needs to replace that sign and probably doesn't care anymore if someone comes to their house!!! luckily the homeowner was often not home when that happened.

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A question for the faders on here

by JWinprotest in

the other day our meeting was cancelled and we didn't even get a call from the elders to advise us.

i take that as a sign that our fade is working.

the next step i would like to implement is not turning in a field service report.

keeshondgirl

we didn't really fade away. haha. we just never went back after a meeting with the elders and 9 months later and they still haven't tried to find out why we stopped going. so loving! they'll just forget about you especially if you aren't attending meetings regularly.

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Unloaded on the husband of my wife's study sister last night, how much damage did I do to myself??

by insearchoftruth in

well had a really good weekend away from home, but i guess i knew that the respite from the wts would end.

tuesdays are the day my wife has her personal bible study with the sister and she has also had the husband come over on tuesday afternoons so the son can have the pleasure of a bible study (which he loathes, he is a high school junior and has no interest in this stuff).

i get home from work late, after a fairly long day and the guy is still there.

keeshondgirl

Everytime a JW is losing an arguement,they start bashing Catholics......What do Catholics have to do with JW problems?..............OUTLAW

Catholics and Jws are similar, so I thought it always strange that they make fun of catholics. The witnesses have many titles and positions, so do the catholics. the witnesses disfellowship, the catholics ex-communicate, the witnesses believe they have the truth and follow the watchtowers every word, the catholics believe they have the truth and follow the pope. The catholic church may not have as much of a strong hold on its members in this country, U.S., but they have a strong hold on its members in lets say Ireland. The people there are afraid to question their church, afraid of not being allowed to communicate with their families, similar to how the witnesses have a fear of losing their families if questioning the watchtower. The only difference with the watchtower is I think its much stricter and it doesn't really matter where you live, the watchtower has control over your life.

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Neutrality- the wbts

by bobld in

i would like the preface my statement:there is a religion that is totally neutral in wars,neutral in gov't, neutral in the judiciary,however that religion is not the j.w./wbts.the reason is the wbts uses the court system to fight it's battles.as an example a court case in canada about blood.they lost the case so now they must obey satan's system/gov't.they cannot now say we must obey god rather than man because they put their faith in satan's system hoping for victory which came not.another case in france,they did not want to pay what the gov't asked,so they used satan's system and lost.why put faith in satan system hoping you can get a short repreeve.how can they say they are neutral when they use satan's system.another example would be flag saluting,take it to court and lose,so now you have to salute(took god out of the picture).. how many ot examples are there that the nation of israel went to the pagan's court.why did not jesus call for angelic help when he was before the court(sanhedrin).yes the j.w./wbts have a very narrow view of neutrality.it is not only war,it is gov't,it is the judiciary as a battle ground as well.. bob.

ps:the court system has changed over the years: look at how liberal it is today,same sex marriages,gay rights,etc, so is the wbts putting faith in the court system.it will sting them in the behind..

keeshondgirl

Reniaa:: I recently found out about the watchtower soceity being involved with the U.N. Take a look at what this says from an article in a watchtower, I think its from the year 1979 on a questions from readers part::

IsittruethatforreligiousreasonsJehovah’sWitnessesmaynotbecomemembersoftheYMCA(YoungMen’sChristian Association)? Yes, that is so. In joining the YMCA as a member a person accepts or endorses the general objectives and principles of the organization. He is not simply paying for something he receives, such as when buying things being sold to the public at a store. (Compare 1 Corinthians 8:10; 10:25.) Nor is his membership merely an entry pass, as when a person buys a theater ticket. Membership means that one has become an integral part of this organization founded with definite religious objectives, including the promotion of interfaith. Hence, for one of Jehovah’s Witnesses to become a member of such a so-called "Christian" association would amount to apostasy.

Notice that I highlighted the part in red. consider that sentence carefully. Put the word United Nations in place of where the word YMCA is and then read it. Here:

In joining the United Nations as a member a person accepts or endorses the general objectives and principles of the organization. If they consider a person to be an apostate just for joining a gym that is part of some christian organization, then isn't it apostasy to become a member of the 'disgusting thing' just to get information from their library?? did you know that when becomeing a member they had to sign a paper saying they supported the U.N.? http://www.un.org/dpi/ngosection/pdfs/watchtower.pdf So, does this mean the watchtower has committed an act of apostasy those years they were part of the U.N. and at the same time millions of witnesses didn't have a clue and they were preaching to not be a part of the U.N. because it is the disgusting thing????? At least the pope openly tells his followers that he is involved in the U.N. The witnesses hid it, as if it were a secret. Nice. I see hypocrisy written all over and I wonder how Jesus feels about it???? He seen hypocrisy in his day, those pharisses had the truth but their actions spoke louder than their words. Is it the same today??? Their is countless information found on the INternet, why did they have to go join the U.N. and then preach to have no part of it???

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I think I understand... I am being shunned...

by Almost_Did_It in

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friends

i think i finally realize whats been happening... as i said earlier, i almost took the plunge knee-deep into becoming a jw... i had many confrontations with my wife and others in my family, but i still continued to push forward.... .

itd been almost 2 years since i first was indoctrinated and 1.5 years since i have been studying... i studied with a friend who was also a co-worker.

we studied before or after work because it was convenient for us both.. .

keeshondgirl

I remember the people in my hall would drop a study if it went on too long. Once finished studying a book or two then they would say it's time to go to the meetings because thats where you learn like the rest of us. 99.9% of the time that person wouldn't go to the meetings and the witness whom they thought was their friend would never speak to them again or only to invite him to a special occasion. then the person who studied with them would blab in the car groups about that person and everyone would know the wrongs that person did. the truth is, which most non-witnesses dont' know, is a witness does not consider any non witness a friend. they think of them as a potential new witness. if the person decides to quite studying or not to attend meetings, then that means that the person is choosing to not be a sheep and was basically a waste of your time, so never get too attached to a person. when a person gets baptized, then an even stronger judging goes on. they will judge you on how many things you have, how many meetings you miss, how often are you out in field service, who are your friends, how often do you give comments, and the list goes on. You need to climb the ladder to get to a higher position in order to be considered a good associate. the attitudes are the complete opposite of how Jesus was when he was here. IT's so easy to start thinking like that, for you know the scripture we were always told about.....bad association spoils useful habit, well, the witnesses were very bad association and I was starting to become like them, I wasn't raised a jw so never had a biased attitude towards others, but once I was around them I started to act and think like that. luckily, I did a reality check and feel I can no longer be around that mentality!!!

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Crazy JW chaperon Stories

by superman in

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the jw's must not trust their members or at least don't have too much faith in them when it comes to being alone around member of the opposite sex.

i can remember one time in particular from when i was a teenager that still makes me laugh today.. when i was younger i used to go out in service on a regular basis during the week when i had summer break.

one time when i met for service there were only two other people that showed up.

keeshondgirl

My boyfriends mother was a jw. When I was interested in what they believed I was going to meetings. My boyfriend and I would hold hands during the meetings and people would look at us real strange. He wasn't baptized and either was I. we were pulled in the back room. haha. they wanted to know why we were holding hands. duh!! we like eachother and we were giong to get married in a few months. they gave us a whole speal on why we shouldn't hold hands and how we should think about baptizm first. it was so weird. we weren't doing anything wrong. a friend of mine is a jw, and I didn't know about chaperones. I was living at his parents house. they had an extra bedroom. I was raised with good morals without being a jw, and went and found a place with a friend. but before I did, my jw friend would always be there. I always wondered why. we had no alone time to talk because she was always there. she never said she was a chaperone. one day we went to her house, and her dads an elder, and gave us a talk on how our desires are strong at a young age and should never be alone together. one day, my bf at the time set up a big tent in the backyard. my jw friend was coming over with another friend and we were all going to sleep out in the tent. when she found out that my bf was going to sleep out there too she almost died!!! she made a big deal out of it and refused to stay and wanted to call her dad. well, he slept in the house just to make her happy. that was sooo embarrassing. we eventually did get married, and were told we held hands too much, and then I started noticing...how often do you see elders holding their wives hands? I never did. my husband and I were one of the few people who did in the cong. we were hounded on for months to get baptized after we were married and were even told that if we didn't get baptized before marriage, then we never would. the only person that got baptized after being married was himself. a little self righteous, don't ya think?. well, we did get baptized a year or so later but now we woke up to the org. and no longer associate. I remember before getting baptized, you know those questions you hvae to answer? well, an elder brought special informaiton for me from a watchtower. it was about STDs. how if I had them I need to keep distance from others in the cong. and sit all the way in the back. just becuase i wasn't raised a jw doesn't mean I had that disease. it was embarrassing, I wasn't comfortable talking about those things at the time i was only 18. My husband never got special information concering stds. I guess they decided that since he was raised a jw he never would have done anything. sick sick people.

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Crazy JW chaperon Stories

by superman in

jw
friends

the jw's must not trust their members or at least don't have too much faith in them when it comes to being alone around member of the opposite sex.

i can remember one time in particular from when i was a teenager that still makes me laugh today.. when i was younger i used to go out in service on a regular basis during the week when i had summer break.

one time when i met for service there were only two other people that showed up.

keeshondgirl

My boyfriends mother was a jw. When I was interested in what they believed I was going to meetings. My boyfriend and I would hold hands during the meetings and people would look at us real strange. He wasn't baptized and either was I. we were pulled in the back room. haha. they wanted to know why we were holding hands. duh!! we like eachother and we were giong to get married in a few months. they gave us a whole speal on why we shouldn't hold hands and how we should think about baptizm first. it was so weird. we weren't doing anything wrong. a friend of mine is a jw, and I didn't know about chaperones. I was living at his parents house. they had an extra bedroom. I was raised with good morals without being a jw, and went and found a place with a friend. but before I did, my jw friend would always be there. I always wondered why. we had no alone time to talk because she was always there. she never said she was a chaperone. one day we went to her house, and her dads an elder, and gave us a talk on how our desires are strong at a young age and should never be alone together. one day, my bf at the time set up a big tent in the backyard. my jw friend was coming over with another friend and we were all going to sleep out in the tent. when she found out that my bf was going to sleep out there too she almost died!!! she made a big deal out of it and refused to stay and wanted to call her dad. well, he slept in the house just to make her happy. that was sooo embarrassing. we eventually did get married, and were told we held hands too much, and then I started noticing...how often do you see elders holding their wives hands? I never did. my husband and I were one of the few people who did in the cong. we were hounded on for months to get baptized after we were married and were even told that if we didn't get baptized before marriage, then we never would. the only person that got baptized after being married was himself. a little self righteous, don't ya think?. well, we did get baptized a year or so later but now we woke up to the org. and no longer associate. I remember before getting baptized, you know those questions you hvae to answer? well, an elder brought special informaiton for me from a watchtower. it was about STDs. how if I had them I need to keep distance from others in the cong. and sit all the way in the back. just becuase i wasn't raised a jw doesn't mean I had that disease. it was embarrassing, I wasn't comfortable talking about those things at the time i was only 18. My husband never got special information concering stds. I guess they decided that since he was raised a jw he never would have done anything. sick sick people.