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  Impact on the receiving end of "What the Bible Really Teaches"

  by kepler in

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  several years ago my fiance had a traumatic experience and decided to return to being a jw.. .

  as a result she insisted that we read "what the bible really teaches".

  then later i agreed to take instruction with house visits by an elder and his associates on weekends with the same purpose.. .

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  Sapphy

  Once you realise the ONLY unchanging doctrine JWs are expected to believe is that the society is God's Organisation and the Governing Body is his mouthpiece, nothing else matters. Everything is is sacrificed to the god of conformity, miscalled 'unity'.

  For JWs thoughtcrime is real and you could lose your family if you don't crimestop.

  crimestop - Orwell's definition: "The faculty of stopping short, as though by instinct, at the threshold of any dangerous thought. It includes the power of not grasping analogies, of failing to perceive logical errors, of misunderstanding the simplest arguments... and of being bored or repelled by any train of thought which is capable of leading in a heretical direction. "
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  And down comes the house of cards

  by Blind_Of_Lies in

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  2. friends

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  Sapphy

  I Love that we had the "strictly confidential" information before the congregations.
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  Prelude to a disfellowshipping: An open letter.

  by rory-ks in

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  an open letter to the body of elders, .

  sudbury (suffolk) congregation of jehovah's witnesses.. .

  on wednesday, april 4, 2012, the decision will be carried out to announce to the congregation that, rory sullivan is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses.. .

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  Sapphy

  Sorry you're going through this Rory. Hope you're doing ok.

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  Awake! June 2012 21 confirms that Andre has moved to East Timor

  by therevealer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am happy to say that andre, my relative,.

  serves at the east timor office of jehovah's.

  witnesses..

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  Sapphy

  In 1961, 9 years before he was born, Andrew moved with his wife and children to Renunion: "The Pégoud family—André, Jeannine, and their six-year-old son, Christian—along with Noémie Duray, a relative, heeded the call. They docked in January 1961." Yearbook 2007

  In 2006 Andre struggles with masturbation: "A young man named André had similar thoughts. “I felt like such a hypocrite,” he says. “It was a struggle to get out of bed in the morning and face the day. I found it difficult to sit through Christian meetings or to participate in the ministry.” Awake! Nov 2006

  In 2006, Andre has been promoted to the WT from the Awake, and has somehow managed to qualify as a Doctor: "Consider the case of André, a Christian elder, father, and medical doctor in Europe. When André was on all-night duty in the hospital, female colleagues repeatedly pinned notes—decorated with hearts—to his pillow, inviting him to have sexual relations with them. André steadfastly refused to entertain their advances. " w06 8/1.

  However also in 2006 Andrey changes how he spells his name and moves to Russia, where, back in school again, he refuses to read a book . "Andrey rejoices that he decided to follow his Bible-trained conscience by not reading material that dishonors Jehovah and his Son, Jesus Christ. Such a stand not only protected him from unscriptural views but also opened up a marvelous opportunity to share vital Bible truths with others." W06 3/1

  In 2004 the yearbook recounts how Andre revitalised he mid-week preaching arrangement in Brazzaville in 1981: "As André continued preaching that morning, he met a brother who said: “We have all got out of the habit of preaching from house to house.” This brother then told other publishers about André’s activity. In the afternoon several sisters came to the meeting for service. "

  In 2003, Andre is back in France literally crying with appreciation about the 2002 yearbook: “I’ve completed reading the 2002 Yearbook. I couldn’t help but cry while reading about your activity in Ukraine. I wish to let you know how much encouragement I have received from your zealous example and strong faith. I am proud to belong to the same spiritual family as you. Thank you from the bottom of my heart!”—Andrée, France. Wt 10/1

  Andre is my hero.
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  Awake! June 2012 21 confirms that Andre has moved to East Timor

  by therevealer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am happy to say that andre, my relative,.

  serves at the east timor office of jehovah's.

  witnesses..

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  Sapphy

  If anyone wants to do a further search "Andre" with an accent over the 'e' gets a lot more hits.

  Andre with an accent has a masturbation 'problem' spanning a couple of magazines, and he also gets discouraged by harsh counsel!
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  Awake! June 2012 21 confirms that Andre has moved to East Timor

  by therevealer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am happy to say that andre, my relative,.

  serves at the east timor office of jehovah's.

  witnesses..

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  Sapphy

  Just had a looky at WT Library, and we can trace Andre...

  Andre was born in 1970/1, and helped deliver his baby sibling when he was 6 "When six-year-old Andre’s mother went into labor at home in New York, he was the only one there to help. “Go into the bathroom and fill a basin with hot water,” he was instructed" Awake 1977 12/8 pg 28.

  By 1987 he is 17 and has a sister Anna-Marie: "Anne Marie and her brother Andre concur on the advantages of having a ready companion... Seventeen-year-old Andre echoes the Bible’s words at 1 John 4:20 when he says: “If you can’t get along with people you can see, how can you get along with Jehovah, whom you can’t see?” Awake! 9/22 pg25

  In 1989 he is still finding it hard to get along with his sister - bet he wishes he hadnt helped at the birth now: " Young Andre adds: “When you’re at home . . . , you act the way you really are.” Unfortunately, ‘acting the way you really are’ often means dispensing with politeness, kindness, and tact"... But there's something dodgy here, we've established he was 17 in 1987 (Sidebar, why the hell weren't his parents pioneering in readiness for 1975???) however two years later he is STILL 17! "Seventeen-year-old Andre echoes the Bible’s words ..." yp ask book 1989 pg 50.

  In 1990 Andre is back in the Awake! and he's getting a bit snippy about other 'youths' who havent got baptised yet "A youth named Andre observes: “A lot of youths wait until they are 17 or 18 to get baptized, which is a little old.” Why? “Because long before that they’re old enough to make other decisions for themselves.” Awake! 4/8 pg 15. In 2007 Andre, by now an evidently very youthful 37 year old, is conflicted between playing sports for his school and devoting his life to religious crap. Andre has a staring role in the DVD "Young people ask: What should I do with my life" and the congregation gets to discuss him in an item": (1) What similarities are there between Timothy, who is spoken of in the Christian Greek Scriptures, and Andre? (Acts 16:1; 1 Tim. 4:8; 2 Tim. 1:5) (2) How was Andre being pressured to excel in athletics, and by whom? (3) Who proved to be positive influences on Timothy and on Andre, and in what ways? " KM April 07 pg 6 Where will Andre appear next!
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  Awake! June 2012 21 confirms that Andre has moved to East Timor

  by therevealer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am happy to say that andre, my relative,.

  serves at the east timor office of jehovah's.

  witnesses..

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  Sapphy

  Andre's back! Yea!

  In all my 30 years + in JW land, I never met an Andre, but with the amount of Andre experiences in the WT library you'd think there would be at least one per congo.

  In terms of names, Andre is to the Watchtower as Mohammad is to Muslims as Maria is to Catholics.
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  At last....I made the connection with an old friend...who is a practising Pagan

  by Pams girl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  im the nervy, anxious type.

  i suffer with panic attacks and sometimes my agoraphobia cripples me.

  the organisation effectively isolated me fo a long time.

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  Sapphy

  Thanks for sharing this Pam's Girl! It's really touching, made me well up.

  Good for you, you should be proud you were brave enough to reach out and I'm so pleased you've got a new/old friendship.

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  Question for elders about MEMORIAL EMBLEMS...

  by Alfred in

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  2. friends

  what is done with the bread and the wine after the conclusion of the memorial?.

  is it normally tossed in the trash and poured down the drain?.

  if so, wouldn't that be simbolic of throwing jesus' body in the trash and pouring his blood into the sewer?.

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  Sapphy

  The unleavened bread is usually thrown away, but I've seen the red wine being poured back into the bottle to be drunk later many times.
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  Doing "Armageddon Math" during assemblies

  by Alfred in

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  Sapphy

  I always used to do armageddon maths in assemblies.

  1914 + 77 years = 1991 (Cos God like the number 7)

  1914 + 80 years = 1994 (...because of SPECIAL MIGHTYNESS!!!)

  Umm, they didnt work, so OK:

  6000 years of Human existence in 1975; Jesus is the greater Adam SOOO maybe Adam was alive for 33.5 years before he sinned (died as to perfection) thus 1975 +33.5 = 2008.

  Nope. Gave up after that!