i can't believe i'm actually posting here.
i've been lurking for a while and i've been having doubts about this being the "truth" for years and sometimes feel really stuck and hopeless about my situation.
i'm married to an elder (who is 110% jw) and i was for the most part raised in the "truth".
Welcome SickandTired!
I think the thing to do is not put yourself under any pressure - well don't put yourself under any more pressure than you've already got.
If your husband is a non-questioning born in it will be difficult so concentrate on what you think and believe! It's an exciting adventure, discovering who you actually are, so take it at your own pace.
Just have a read around & we're always here for support & when you need to vent.
hi all,.
i have some memories as a kid of sitting through some reallllly long watchtowers about the various covenants in place, or replaced etc.. i'm having trouble remembering the precise difference between the 'new covenant' and the 'kingdom covenant' or 'covenant for a kingdom'.. i remember one had 144,000 members and one had 144,001 members and it was very important .
i've had a quick search on the cd rom but it's not clear & i can't find those study articles.... can anyone help?.
Heh, thanks Wobble, no I'm truly mentally away from watchtower land!
I was just wondering if anyone else had the recollection of those study articles & could point me in the right direction. I think the first ever answer I gave was 144,001!
hi all,.
i have some memories as a kid of sitting through some reallllly long watchtowers about the various covenants in place, or replaced etc.. i'm having trouble remembering the precise difference between the 'new covenant' and the 'kingdom covenant' or 'covenant for a kingdom'.. i remember one had 144,000 members and one had 144,001 members and it was very important .
i've had a quick search on the cd rom but it's not clear & i can't find those study articles.... can anyone help?.
Hi All,
I have some memories as a kid of sitting through some reallllly long Watchtowers about the various covenants in place, or replaced etc.
I'm having trouble remembering the precise difference between the 'new covenant' and the 'kingdom covenant' or 'covenant for a kingdom'.
I remember one had 144,000 members and one had 144,001 members and it was very important to know the difference.
I've had a quick search on the CD Rom but it's not clear & I can't find those study articles...
Can anyone help?
how about that for a discombobulated thread topic?.
i think we are in the midst of a new civil rights revolution - this time the oppressed who are overcoming prejudice are homosexuals.
now new york has legalized gay marriage.
It would mean the governments removing tax exempt status from most orthodox type religions. Catholic adoption centres who wouldnt let same sex couples adopt would fight it. Any church that would not conduct a wedding service for a gay couple would be on the tax hit list.
I don't think the government has the desire to take on religion in general.
One way around it would be for the governments to make a distinction between private charitable interests and public charitable interests.
Contributions towards religious activity would not be deductable but contributions towards public charitable works open to all would be deductable as long as the charity itself practises equality - sex, race etc.
this brother was sitting near me today at the hall and when the public speaker started talking about the signs of the last days this guy started whispering something to his wife and kind of mocking the speaker in a quiet voice.
his wife looked really pissed off.. i've suspected this guy before by some of the stuff he's said and done and some of the #3 talks hes given he's gone off the assigned topic quite a bit.. during the wt study i was doing mics and i happened to walk by him several times.
his wt was on the floor and his bible was opened to topic for conversation at the end of the bible at the last days part.. a little while later his wife gave him the look and said something to him and he picked up his unprepared wt and followed along.. hoser.
As soon as someone is making sarcastic or funny coments during a talk, they are on their way to being of the concious class.
I started doing that myself way before I realised how deep my doubts were. Even as a good little dub when a speaker would say something stupid or outright wrong, I'd make a joke about it to whoever was sitting next to me.
Then, when I realised that virtually every talk had something stupid, it ceased being funny and became irritating, frustrating and annoying - and voila, I'm on JWD planning my escape.
You can also tell concious class potential by people looking bored (not 100% reliable), people frowning or looking puzzled (when they're already baptised), people getting carried away reading the Bible while the speaker is talking about something else, and people having to get up during the meeting for frequent bathroom breaks.
almost chocked on my cornflakes this morning reading the story in my local paper, not too sure how to embed the link but the sutton guardian.co.uk will have the story now.. basically dave churchill worked for a local catering company and was moving a stack of tables with some sort of trolley and they toppled down landed on him he died 2 days later in st george's hospital.. i'd known him most of my adult dub life and he was an elder in my ex wifes congregation, he also gave our wedding talk, he is survived by his wife elaine , they never had kids.. during my dissent into "apostasy" he was selected as one of the elders on my jc because he knew me but during my jc he came across and as an arrogant,self righteous,argumentative down right rude pos certainly showed characteristics that i had never experienced before and along with his "mate" on my jc another bellend named stan rogers started this bad cop/good cop shit on me during the 2 weekends on meetings, the other 2 on my jc chairman geoff woodfield and rensford ming showed themselves to be decent men.
3 amazing incidents have be felled these 2 men in the years that followed my jc, events that i've rarely mentioned much over the years.. isn't karma an amazing thing.
Hi worried - you're right, that's technically accurate. But I'm sure you've read in the magazines or heard in talks about the young brother who rebelled and on his first night after leaving his Christian parents home went to a bar and got stabbed, or the young sister who rebelled and started a double life and caught herpes on her first kiss with a worldly boy.
Or conversly where a bomb exploded in a kindgom hall the friends had mysteriously not sat there during the meeting, saving most from injury.
You're right, these things are not presented as direct action from God, but it's implied in a nudge nudge wink wink kind of way.
the standard of what is true is what is real.. truth=reality.
at the point of contradiction.. with what?
it would be unthinkable for reality to contradict itself.. .
Terry, you're absolutely right about 1914.
Actually, does anyone doubt that if WW1 had started in 1915, 7million JWs would now believe Jerusalem was destroyed in 606.
Either that or they would have called 1914 doctrines sincere hearted misguided eagerness...
According to internal Bible chronology Adam was created about 4000BC.
Meanwhile beer had already been invented for 1000 years
Contradiction within a single Gospel:
John 13v36 "Simon Peter asked him, “Lord, where are you going?” "
John 16 v 5"...None of you asks me, ‘Where are you going?
Just echoing Jeff's question, do you mean "God approves of the general principles in the Bible and gave some ancient men the idea to write it down" or do you mean "the Bible is the infalliable word of God period"?
