It would be very nice to hear some of his talks from the 70s to see how they were different from other GB member talks. I bet he used Bible more than the others. Any ideas where to find some? I doubt they can be found on any of those Jw sites that have a lot of talk files...
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Any talks of Ray Franz available?
by Nostromo init would be very nice to hear some of his talks from the 70s to see how they were different from other gb member talks.
i bet he used bible more than the others.
any ideas where to find some?
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DVD "JW's Faith In Action, part 1 Out of Darkness" Omits! Omits! Omits!
by Wasanelder Once ini've been watching the new dvd and it is a bull fest about russell.
i haven't even gotten half way and they already excluded one very important bit of information.
you'll recall that russell "lost" his faith and "turning away from church creeds and searching for truth, russell examined some leading oriental religions, only to find these unsatisfying".
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Nostromo
Could I have the link as well? Thanks!
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Question for elder/ex-elders
by TweetieBird inwhy do elders, in judicial committee meetings when dealing with immorality, have to ask so many personal questions, i.e.
how many times, was oral sex involved, anal sex, how many times, etc.
is it really necessary or are the elders just getting off asking about someone else's sex life?
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Nostromo
Designs, thats absolutely true, the truck-driver and mailman elders usually dont have the training for this kind of stuff.
Anyway, though there have been lots of horrible cases where young girls have been humiliated with all kind of intimate questions by some (pervert) elders, not all the elders are like that. In fact, I remember one JC session of a young girl. The chairman asked her like this: "so tell us what happened" and then he emphasized: "there is no need to go into any details". Then she said something like "we did the whole thing". And then this elder asked if they had had sex only on one occasion or several times and she answered that. And that was it, no more questions about the actual act.
After that the JC just wanted to see if she understood that it was wrong what she had done (she had confessed herself) and she promised not to do it again. Private reproof and that was it.
The next meeting this girl looked like a different person, she was all smiling and happy so apparently she actually got some relief from this whole procedure. I think it was handled quite okay in this case.
So it really depends on what kind of men there happen to be in the committee.
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Mere Children who are Disfellowshipped
by BabaYaga inthis was inspired by another thread, where freetosee told of a young witness baptised at the tender age of 9, and disfellowshipped at age 12!!!
the mind goes wild at what a 12-year-old should ever be disfellowshipped for.
how would a kid be so unrepentant they would deserve losing their family and friends?
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Nostromo
In one congregation 5 about 12-year-olds were baptized in one convention. It didnt take more than 1-2 years until two of these (young girls) were disfellowshiped. Today, about 10 years later, only 1 of them is still a witness.
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Post one PICTURE that sums up your Watchtower experience so far . . .
by nicolaou in.
i started a topic like this about 4 years ago but, as you'd expect, most of the images no longer show so here we go again .
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Nostromo
That christmas picture on from 1926 on page 1 in this thread is interesting.. However its not possible that Henschel was there, he would have been 6 years old or so in 1926.
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Other Sheep will start taking the emblems.
by hamsterbait inwas at the kingdumb hell yesterday after a gap.. paragraph 11 planted the seed in the sheeples' heads for this.. remember last weeks study, where martha was quoted as saying: "i know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.
" (jo 11: 24) the term "last day" was explained as applying to the millennium, in the same way as "judgment day" for those receiving an earthly resurrection.. now for paragraph 11 - i noticed some bemused faces, as usually john 6 is avoided in articles discussing earthly resurrection:.
" "the bread that i shall give is my flesh," he said.
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Nostromo
It this really would change, it would be a step to right direction. But I seriously doubt they will never change it.
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Dan Sydlik spanked Lon Schilling and Len Pearson at the Farm
by Bethelite Elder inwhen dan sydlik a member of the governing body whom i feel was a good man was living.
he heard all the cries from the bethelites about the hard rulership of lon schilling and len pearson.
eventually he took care of those guys and lon schilling was nicely removed from all of his vast power.
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Nostromo
I dont doubt he might have been a good man, its just too bad that he could not stop all the insanity that has been going on in the Org. I remember reading that he knew back in the 70s that the Society's teaching about "the other sheep" is wrong. I wonder if he never mentioned it in those GB meetings..
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Notes From the Annual Meeting - Oct 3, 2009
by daniel-p infrom a little bird... .
interesting portions highlighted.
notes from annual meeting (oct 3, 2009) .
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Nostromo
So I guess this means that there were no new GB members announced. Malenfant who was interviewed, isnt he 'anointed'? I wonder why they dont appoint him but just keep him as a "helper"..
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Printing in Spanish Branch is finished
by torre inlast wednesday was printed in spain the last numbers of the watchtower and awake!
in the spanish branch.
now the printer is awaiting for better times somewhere.
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Nostromo
Did this Kurtz leave Jws? Or whose blog is this one: http://www.johnhenrykurtz.blogspot.com/ ?
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Printing in Spanish Branch is finished
by torre inlast wednesday was printed in spain the last numbers of the watchtower and awake!
in the spanish branch.
now the printer is awaiting for better times somewhere.
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Nostromo
Why were they cut off from the committee?