flipper asked this question and got me thinking about it.
why don't they do more to protect the children?
why not hunt the abusers down and get them out of the organization?
It's sickens me how ironic it is that they proclaim how clean their organization is, and yet they harbor and exhalt some of the filthiest people on the planet!
The mythbusters should tackle some of the watchtower myths. Oh wait! They already have!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBj6PonX14A
- Lime
flipper asked this question and got me thinking about it.
why don't they do more to protect the children?
why not hunt the abusers down and get them out of the organization?
I asked my dad why they didn't do anything for these victims, and his answer told everything:
"If we reported to the police every time someone claimed sexual abuse - then there would be no way to protect the elders from false claims."
I replied with something like "So... keeping the elders in power is more important than protecting children?"
Which he abdomantly defended it with "Now you're twisting things. If we did it your way, everytime we counciled someone, they would just have their child claim we molested them if they didn't like what we had to say."
- Lime
i was watching this documentary of micro biologist who are sampling all the oceans at many different depths collecting all the microorganisms with different size filter and then processing them to collect just their dna and then sending the purified dna material to their lab where they have a bunch of very sophisticated and state the art equipment to break up the dna and then recombine it into gene sequences and then record it in the their super computer at the tune of reading millions of bits of dna code per minute.. the result of this study according to the team of scientist mind boggling and the information gathered will change our lives in so many ways.
the super computer can reconstruct the dna into genes and chromosomes and millions of new genes have already been discovered.. here is one link i found on the net that might be of interest with a partial quote of some of the beneficial uses:.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/mar/14/genetics.research.
Lol, that scripture certainly is NOT talking about pornography. It's describing a woman's lust in the 'colorful terms of the era'. If anything that scripture itself is pornographic, and considering it is included in the bible and 'inspired of God' - could it not be said that the bible condones pornographic speak such as this?
Now, did you know that the Bible tells about the hare being a "chewer of the cud", which science only proved in the 18th century CE.
The current scientific understanding is that hares do not chew their cud. Hares do not regergitate their food. (http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/492669.html)
If science were the be all and end all, it would have eliminated starvation from the human experience. Alas, it has NOT.
Neither has God. You're thinking in absolutes - black and white, all or nothing. I'm of the opinion that saving over 1 billion people from starvation is a 'pretty good start'. It's certainly much better than God's score at this point. Science is not a god. Science seeks knowledge. We as humans are responsible for how we use the information science gives us.
Respect for all human life, regardless of who they are, is a big component in the principled love which humans are mandated to show
That's funny comming from a Witness POV. Blood is a symbol for life. Yet when it comes time to choose between blood (a symbol) and life (the actual thing that is sacred)... Jehovah's witnesses value the symbol over the thing it symbolizes.
I guess every religion needs an icon to worship and die for.
- Lime
i was watching this documentary of micro biologist who are sampling all the oceans at many different depths collecting all the microorganisms with different size filter and then processing them to collect just their dna and then sending the purified dna material to their lab where they have a bunch of very sophisticated and state the art equipment to break up the dna and then recombine it into gene sequences and then record it in the their super computer at the tune of reading millions of bits of dna code per minute.. the result of this study according to the team of scientist mind boggling and the information gathered will change our lives in so many ways.
the super computer can reconstruct the dna into genes and chromosomes and millions of new genes have already been discovered.. here is one link i found on the net that might be of interest with a partial quote of some of the beneficial uses:.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/mar/14/genetics.research.
Spike:
Ahh... the uh.. "bible" right? Well, as long as we're cherry picking bible verses, I have one:
Ezekiel 23:20
20. She lusted after their genitals – as large as those of donkeys, and their seminal emission was as strong as that of stallions.
Science describes to us the molecular structure of Deoxyribonucleic acid. Science has discovered information we have used to eliminate deadly diseases. Science has saved billions from immanent starvation.
But, yay, go bible. The bible takes the time to graphically describe in perverse detail some chick's lust for some dude's junk. Thanks "God". Thanks for carefully recording and preserving this important message for all time (you couldn't preserve the pronounciation of your own freaking name, but hell, we all make mistakes. At least you kept this vital scripture intact). This is certainly something we all should keep in mind.
- Lime
PS: Have you considered how you can apply God's message in Ezekiel 23:20 in YOUR life, Spike? I have.
many here have abandoned the bible as "the word of god" and there are numerous reasons for said abandonment.
however what i am interested in finding out is if the bible is the word of god, then what would you expect to find?.
Wow.. head coverings. I completely forgot about that - freaking sexist white-supremacist religion.
Its actually a good thing that I forgot. The sexist/elitist witness brain patterns are starting to fade away into forgotteness. Good riddance to bad rubbish.
- Lime
frozen aircraft shock .
i'm still in shock!
are these aircraft found buried in ice, more than 3,000 years old -- or what?.
I'd just like to point out as well, many of the early scientists were in fact religious, at least to some degree. Science does not have roots in trying to disprove the bible, or deliberately trying to weave some false picture of the universe to intentionally contradict the Bible. It just happens that way because the bible is not scientifically accurate. Science is seeking to establish in a methodical way "what DO we know?" When science is working, all the pieces fit together well, and when something is out of whack, the pieces don't fit together well (which is why research into gravity, dark energy, and dark matter continue as we speak).
If our scientific understanding of how old the earth, various fossil specimens, and how life has changed through time on this planet were off by the orders of magnitude suggested by 'young earth' creationism... nothing would fit into place at all. Sitting through a biology lecture would be so riddled with flaws and contradictions every student (many of whom are religious) would be scratching their head and vowing to set the record straight.
As the Talk.Origins response hints at... ice samples are collected from many locations around the world, and after painstaking research and comparisons, they have been used to reconstruct a timeline of global atmospheric conditions. I'll bet you anything that the atmospheric conditions suggested by the ice samples taken from around the aircraft (oxygen and co2 levels) are measurably different from samples taken at similar depth further inland.
This is the difference between real science, and just taking everything at face value.
- Lime
frozen aircraft shock .
i'm still in shock!
are these aircraft found buried in ice, more than 3,000 years old -- or what?.
From Talk.Origins:
Ice cores are claimed to have as many as 135,000 annual layers. Yet airplanes of the Lost Squadron were buried under 263 feet of ice in forty-eight years, or about 5.5 feet per year. This contradicts the presumption that the wafer-thin layers in the ice cores could be annual layers.
Vardiman, Larry. 1992. Ice cores and the age of the earth. Impact 226 (Apr.). http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=355
Kuechmann, F. C., 2000. Creationist comedy. http://noanswersingenesis.org.au/kuechmann_cretin_comedy.htm
Seely, Paul H. 2003. The GISP2 ice core: Ultimate proof that Noah's flood was not global. Perspectives on Science and Christian Faith 55(4): 252-260. http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2003/PSCF12-03Seely.pdf
Brinkman, Matt, 1995. Ice core dating. http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/icecores.html
I know, it's not nearly as emotionally charged and anecdotal as the little story. Just quick and to the point (with references).
(And as John Doe pointed out and I was thinking.. what does this have to do with Evolution? This story is trying to support a Global Flood.)
- Lime
in the late 1960s and early 1970s, i wrote my study, 1914 and all that.
in it, i stated that at matthew 24 jesus warned his followers against seeing wars, earthquakes and famines as being signs.
i have not wavered from that position, which i have given in my posts here at times.. .
These numerical gymnastics crack me up. It's like listening to Nostradamus supporters. Transpose a few letters here, replace a letter or two there... and you can make any prediction fit whatever was in last night's news.
I mean seriously.. the bible has a quip about "birth pangs" and that is a 'secret code' that means 90 years?
So add 90 to 1914, divide by the 24 of thrones in heaven, apply the 7 gentile times.. that brings us to December 20, 2012... wait.. There's one more throne in heaven - God's throne... that one you ADD as one day... Holy crap!!! Just like the Mayan calander, astrology, and upcomming theatrical film PROVE: The world will end on December 21, 2012!!!
WAIT! 12/21/2012... 1+2+2+1+2+0+1+2 = 11!! 9+1+1 = 11! September 11th!!!!
- Lime
due to the fact there are about 27,000 members of this religion that are known pedophiles, and the information about it is kept in a secret database file, i wonder how many lurking jw's as well as others are aware of the severity of this problem?
remember, it's 27,000 pedophiles that they know about.
what about the thousands that don't get caught?
Just thought I'd throw my experience onto the list:
I knew someone who was molested by an teenage sister in the hall while being babysat. The elders were notified, she (the victim) and her family were told they could do nothing about it, and that they shouldn't say anything about it to anyone.
The victim ended up stuck alone in the car with the same person years later, and the sister laughed at her and bragged that she had turned "at least 7 other girls into lesbians". I have no idea how many of those other people went to the elders, but the last we heard, the sister was a pioneer and still babysitting on occation.
- Lime
i was watching this documentary of micro biologist who are sampling all the oceans at many different depths collecting all the microorganisms with different size filter and then processing them to collect just their dna and then sending the purified dna material to their lab where they have a bunch of very sophisticated and state the art equipment to break up the dna and then recombine it into gene sequences and then record it in the their super computer at the tune of reading millions of bits of dna code per minute.. the result of this study according to the team of scientist mind boggling and the information gathered will change our lives in so many ways.
the super computer can reconstruct the dna into genes and chromosomes and millions of new genes have already been discovered.. here is one link i found on the net that might be of interest with a partial quote of some of the beneficial uses:.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/mar/14/genetics.research.
the complex encoded efficiency of DNA is seen by many to prove an intelligent designer not an incoherent opposite that relies on time and chance.
Complexity is NOT evidence of good design. As a computer programmer I have seen many software solutions that were very complex - sometime too complex to completely internalize - and at the same time far inferior to simpler, cleaner solutions. The smartest solutions are the simplest solutions.
Elegant simplicity if far better evidence of design than complexity is - that would indicate wisdom. If you really understand the body, there are many examples of things that, if designed, could have been designed a lot better. The way the optic nerve connects to the eye (causing blind spots and all sorts of complications), the way the spinal cord passes through the vertebrate of the spine (increasing risk of serious nerve problems for upright walking creatures), even simple adjustments to our teeth can double or triple their longetivity.
There are lots of great examples in biology of creatures and biological systems that, if designed, would have to have been designed intentionally poor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bldN-lbyqsE
- Lime
