been a while since i posted here, but driving into work the other day i recalled how "excited" we all were when it was announced that scientists had discovered "proof" that there is a full "day" missing astronomically, for the exact period of time covered by joshua's having the sun stand still, and isaiah having the sun move backwards, sending the shadow back up the steps for hezekiah.. that got me searching jwd for a thread about this topic, and i didn't find one, but i did find this snopes article.. http://www.snopes.com/religion/lostday.asp.
Heh heh, I remember my parents telling me this story back when I was a witness (which I promptly questioned). When I told my parents I was no longer interested in the bible, my mom brought it up with "So if science is so smart and the bible isn't real, how do you explain the missing day scientists found?"
- Lime
so my mom came down for a visit a few weekends ago, since i knew nothing about it till she got in town, i opted out on seeing her her.. she did not leave a very good lasting impression on my daughter and my grand daughter would not have anything to do with her (babies have such great intuition).
my mom has not been preaching much to my daughter, but left her quite a library when she left town.. .
yesterday she calls my daughter and grills her about why i don't go to meetings anymore, she is upset that i influenced her to get in the truth(which is not really true) and then give her a book to read (coc) saying bad things about the organization.. my daughter told my mom there were allot of coverups in the congo and older men doing inappropriate things with younger girls(i have not told many things on this board about my congo) my mom said that i did not love jehovah enough to let that bother me enough to keep me from going to the meetings.
I've been around some very manipulative people in my life. My ex-mother-in-law (a devout JW) frequently and publically bragged of being a 'master manipulator'. I have little tolerance for manipulative people, I recognize them immediately and make every effort call them out on their weasely ways.
It sounds to me like you daughter has developed a fine mind for recognizing and deflecting the crafty works of manipulators. I'd be sure to keep her well fueled, not just against JW's, but against all preditors who seek out and manipulate vulnerable minds.
- Lime
yknot:
LOVE LOVE LOVE canoeing or kayaking! (total fav right now!)
I'm assuming you do river kayaking (since you mentioned canoeing)... do you have any favorite places, perhaps on the west-cost or in the rockies?
- Lime
I like:
Then there was the time I did this (freaking awesome):
- Lime
quite recently, watchtower in sweden applied for governmental financial support, as they are entitled to as a registered religious community.
however, the government declined to accept the application, stating that the reason was that the jws do not adhere to democratic values and standards and do not support mainstream values.. the witnesses are upset, because they feel discriminated against.
they state that the financial issue is not the real issue, but to be treated in a similar way as other religious communities.. they have appealed the decision and plan to send a report explaining the witnesses views in more detail.. the branch office chose the religious, pentecostal (assembly of god) newspaper "dagen" to make an interview.. here is the photo report of the article.. .
Of course, I'd prefer it if NO religion received financial aid.. seperation of church and state and all... but that's just because I have no spiritual side and sold my soul to satan on a whim for a book on evolutionary biology and a bag of starburst jellybeans (Satan has the best textbooks, music, and jellybeans).
One amazing thing I notice about the Catholic church across the street is that they have 2 nights a week where they actually feed the homeless. It's pretty cool. They've had to borrow a can opener or other things from me on more than one occation. I hate religion, but that's not bad stuff. I don't mind lending my can opener to them for an evening for that.
It would be nice if religions had to display some sort of positive community effect (other than self promotion) to be considered for government support, and if so, then maybe. JW's never really paid much attention to Jesus commandment to take care of orphans and widows (and those generally just down on their luck). I don't see Kingdom Halls feeding the poor or open 24 hours throughout the winter allowing 3 people at a time to enter and warm up.
Of course, it's Sweden, so I really have no say in what what the Swedish people want. If every Swedish person likes giving their income/tax money to primarily self-serving religious organizations like the JWs, then I guess that is ok.
- Lime
i'm looking for ideas.
four years running and dressing like a monk is wearing off.
my wife as the witch wants to change as well.. she won't do elvira, oh rumplestilskin!!.
Just throwing out some costume ideas....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVcyNANK5cY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15S0g8pG6HU
That should scare the s*#! out of the ol' neighbors!!
- Lime
you look for stations that sell ethanol free fuel?
have you checked your fuel mileage to note any differences?.
This, my friends, is ethanol:
You'll see two carbon atoms, one oxygen, and six hydrogen. Now, while this may look like a good fuel with all that hydrogen, it really isn't. Let me explain to yous why. Ehem, let me explain to YOU why. So, we have one oxy *hic*... Wow, this stuff is pret-y gooood. So. We have, 1 oxygen.. ha ha. Oxygen. So... one oxygen is pretty good... Woah.. Yeah. Carbon... isn't that like burnt toast? And hydrogen blows up. You don't want your car to blow up! Remember the hindenburg? I had this shop teacher in 8th grade that liked to fill up balloons with it. Or was that my chemistry teacher? Anyway, he got teh principle in the room one day 'cause like he blew up a ballon full of hydrogen. It was awesome. Mythbusters did it once too.
What were we talking about? *hic*
- Lime
if god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
A lot about this debate can be summed up with one question: Who has the courage to exist in an uncertain reality?
Funny, I summed it up a completely different way. Somebody is having a hissy fit out of frustration that they have nothing on an opposing viewpoint. They throw out accusations and insults, and when the fallacy of their logic is pointed out, they completely ignore it.
This 'debate' (atheism is blind faith) isn't even about the actual issues, it's about trying to win in a semantics war so that someone with an unsupportable position can feel a little better about their world view.
Evolution is very well supported by the evidence. This doesn't exclude the possibility of a creator, just makes it less likely. It means that creationists have less ignorance to stand on. A person can become atheist with just an honest look at the odds. The more things can be explained by natural forces, the less likely it involved a god. If the universe did not require a creator to exist, and there is no evidence for one... why worry about it?
Put up some evidence for your position, and when you're called out on it, admit it. This "you're just as blind as we are" poo-flinging is transparent and tedious - everyone can see what you are doing.
Evolution has factual evidence - that is not blind. Creationism is a story you just have to 'believe' - that is blind. Deal with it by finding some evidence to support your view.
- Lime
if god is outside of nature and therefore cannot be proved or disproved by science, is atheism a form of blind faith?
after all, it cannot be defended on the basis of pure reason.. steven jay gould said;.
"science simply cannot by its legitimate methods adjudicate the issue of god's possible superintendence of nature.
Perry is not interested in defending his position, only attacking the opposing position, seemingly without any knowledge of where his opposition actually stands. To paste the old 'atheism black box' image just demonstrates his willful ignorance of his opponent's position. He is right, Atheists are wrong, it doesn't matter what points Atheists make, they are wrong.
I have found the thread entertaining though, in the way Thunderf00t's youtube videos 'Why people laugh at creationists' are entertaining (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=AC3481305829426D). Those wacky creationists! You never know what they're going to say next!
For example, this idea that God created time: So.. that would mean at one point there was no time, and then God thought 'This sucks, there is no time' (but jumble that up into a single word all at once).. and as he was thinking that he had actually already created time - because God could only have one state if he was outside of time. Yeah, that makes so much more sense than a big bang resulting from a complex system (quantum mechanics) we don't fully understand yet. Not knowing how something happened or works does not automatically mean "God" and "magic". In time, we may well understand this, and then God will have to go find another little gap in our understanding to hide in.
I'm sorry, Perry, I cannot understand this concept of "God created time". The 'incomplete logic' and 'I'm making this crap up as I go' detectors in my brain are fully operational. None of this 'god created time' even comes from the Bible. Perry is doing what creationists do best - making stuff up without thinking about what he is actually suggesting. And then, the icing on the cake:
Now say something intelligent..
Ha ha, I get the joke! How about "e=mc 2 ". Not what you were looking for Perry? How about "goddidit".
Sorry, I just cannot accept your time cube theory based on the fact that it doesn't agree with the fossil evidence, math, and physics. Oops, did I say 'time cube'? I meant "God theory". I always get those two mixed up.
- Lime
PS: Out of curiosity Perry, do you engage in "blind faith" by assuming time cube theory is incorrect, or do you accept it as a creditable possibility?
this really happened?
cos really take the money and don't say, "put it in the contribution box?
" did you put it in there hand or in a card that they opened later?.
When I was in pioneer school, at some point in the lecture, one of the two CO's went off for a couple minutes on what a green handshake was and how it showed Godly appreciation for his appointed men.
They still didn't get one from me.
- Lime
