he lived happily ever after.. -sab.
He ultimately decided to pursue a degree in veterinary medicine, feeling that he would forever berate himself if he didn't. In 1984, Peter Ostrum received his Doctorate of Veterinary Medicine from Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Ostrum
- Lime
fundamentalist:1. a usually religious movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to secularism.
or slightly generalised: .
a __________ movement or point of view characterized by a return to fundamental principles, by rigid adherence to those principles, and often by intolerance of other views and opposition to _________.
An unconvincing attempt to dilute the negative stigma of faith being blind by shouting 'the other guys do it too'.
It reminds me of the JW who tries to refute the notion that JW's are a cult with "If I read it broadly enough, all religions are a cult!" Interpret a word broadly enough, and it applies to everyone. But such misinterpretations of reality are irrelevant. "Fundamentalist Scientists" aren't trying to crash planes into buildings, or dumb-down science education in the classroom so that a story about a man living inside a fish for three days is 'scientific'.
- Lime.
brotherdan seems to have left and before he did he psoted this:.
so this is goodbye.
thanks for the help in getting out of the cult.
Just to beat this dead horse a little more (I think most people are on the same page already)...
Since when does "questioning" = "attacking" and "attempting to destroy"?
Indeed. Welcome to the Internet - an open marketplace for the free expression of ideas.
However, just because you share an idea doesn't mean everybody is required to accept it. If you're going to claim that humans can survive in the stomach of a fish for three days - a place filled with hydrocloric acid and very little oxygen - then you better be prepared to accept the fact that some people are going to find flaw in that idea. If observing that humans require oxygen to survive is an 'attack against your faith'... that makes a very poor statement regarding your education and/or critical thinking skills.
If you can't accept the notion that every idea is subject to scrutiny and critism - the Internet probably isn't the best place for you, as it apparently wasn't for Bro. Dan.
- Lime
they claim they are 7 million and growing.
is this true?
i haven't been to a meeting in 12 years but i know of at least 100 people i grew up with that have left the congregation.
I think currently most growth is in non-english areas. Several people I know who are 'in' have learned foriegn languages, as those are the only territories where they readily find victims. (Isolated people from war-torn countries with little education and/or few around them that speak their native language.)
The people I know who are doing this usually have several bible studies going.
- Lime
i've been watching the bio channel lately and hearing people relate their stories of ghosts and the supernatural.. although i think some people do experience demonic presences, i think some people (for whatever reason) find it difficult to move on.
jws believe everything is caused by "demons," but there are many near death experiences where people clearly seem to see family members who have helped them and who have manifested themselves with feelings of peace and serenity.
since i don't believe that satan can duplicate these feelings of well being, i was wondering what you think of such manifestations, good or bad.. also, have you ever had any experiences, again, good or bad, in your lives?
I once met a man in 'field service' who upon my arrival was prying the nails out of his front porch. When I asked 'why?', he explained that the government was spying on him - by bouncing a 'radar beam' from nail to nail into his house. He claimed to know this because one day while watching TV he flipped to a channel that was displaying HIM, sitting on the toilet. Also, he "knew" that the motherboard in his HAM radio had been removed and replaced with an inferior motherboard by the government.
Since then I've come to realize there is a percentage of the population that is absolutely bat shit insane - and they are absolutely here, on this forum. But they have no idea who they are.
(If you don't believe this story... you should go check your front porch. If you notice there are 'extra' nails - nails that clearly aren't required to keep the deck in place.... well, I have some bad news. Yes... I'm afraid the government is VERY interested in how often you have a bowel movement, and both we public citizens AND the demonz are watching.)
- Lime
ok last night we played with the ouija board, i am posting a link to a video of what happened so you dont get offended.
only open if you are willing to accept the consequences.. when my gf went to buy the board many people warned her about it, even the cashier shake the head and told her that she would never bring that game into her house.. so we played, we invoked the spirits, we even called god.
http://s1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/cyberjesus2/?action=view¤t=movie.mp4.
Crap dude. Now you'll start experiencing 'books falling over when nobody is around' and other such harrowing demonic terrors. (My parent's tell a little demon story where they bought a "demonized" book in a garage sale and put it in a closet, later they were terrorized by the book book falling over on it's own even when the closet door was closed! Scary shit man.)
For your next video, put the ouija board in the fireplace and try to set it on fire. It'll refuse to burn, and fly back into the room on it's own - you'll see.
- Lime
EDIT: The TV series "How it's Made" should do an episode on ouija boards. I wonder at what step in the process they embue the cardboard with the evil spirits, and what machinery they use to do it.
it does mention what to do in the case of a disaster, but there are no specific instructions for the big a. what's a brother to do?.
They already have the survival kits......Asilentone
Ya..
Box`s and box`s of old WBT$ Literature,they can stuff in dead peoples hands..
WBT$ Magazine placement,is going to go way up at Armageddon!..
No, no, no. Everybody knows the JW survival kit should be stocked with a shovel (to bury the 1,000+ rotting corpses per JW left lying around), a pair of pliers, measuring tape, and hard hat (as pictured in the Knowledge Book - obviously those items weren't manufactured post-armegeddon), mana-safe tupperware, and some "C" batteries to donate to the Watchtower society to keep those presses running for the 'New Scrolls'.
Theocratic rumor is that a "Secondary Moses" will be provided to lead the JW's to the promised land - flowing with milk, honey, and new light.
- Lime
there is a lot of information available about questions to ask jws.
it's a good thing to make them think a little more instead of being spoon fed all the time.. one question that could be posed is - where did the the 'new light' come from?
(answer) so where did the 'old light' come from?.
Somewhere out there.. a JW's brain just exploded.
Curse you and your relentless logic! God gave Samson magic hair! It REALLY happened!
- Lime
haven't heard anything out of him for a week on jwn or fb.
anybody know him irl?
i'd guess he's just vacationing or something..
Crucified? It would seem the reports of your death weren't greatly exaggerated, then.
- Lime
while having a conversation at a night club with two guys ( i go salsa dancing at least 3 times per week) i was telling of a story of a time i went with a friend to a strip club but we left because our consiences felt guilty ( my friend was still in bethel).
so i said "since i was a member of this religion".
at that moment one of they guys immediately asked me "which religion?".
Wow, that is great. I've been using a similar strategy with a good friend of mine. It is slow-going, but potentially effective.
When he asked what cong I was going to, I told him "I'm not a witness anymore. When I was 26 I became concerned that I had been following the religion not because it was what I believed, but because my parents required me to. I did my own research into the bible, and came to the conclusion that it isn't what I was led to believe." I just left it at that, and don't push anything. He asks questions now and then, which I am happy to answer. We have become even better friends, and he now doesn't care if associating with me gets him DFed (again). He long ago gave up the pursuit of 'privilages' in the cong because in his words "you must live an unhuman life to qualify for them".
- Lime
