Ohnoes! The Watchtower is going to sue Weezer for trademark infringement and shutdown the band and get the record pulled from the shelves!! Won't someone please think of the Weezer fans!!
donuthole
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Weezer's new album cover - a WT picture?!?
by weezer1 ini'm a long-time lurker (and hopefully successful fader) who finally took the jump and registered on jwd.
thank you all for the great information over the years!.
as you can tell by my username, i'm a big weezer fan.
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How to prepare for a JC defense
by brotherdan inmany of you have heard this recording, but i wanted to post it again for some of you (bottleofwater) that will possibily be in jc's soon.
rick townsend does an excellent job (imo) of attempting to defend his position to the elders.
in nearly every category his arguments are stronger.. it is a bit frustrating to listen to because of the elders lack of reasoning ability, but rick is amazing.
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donuthole
I had a horrible JC experience but I'm absolutely glad that I went and stood up for the Truth. I learned first hand a little bit more about what it means not to prepare a defense and allow the Holy Spirit to speak for you. If you are called to bear witness to the Truth I wouldn't avoid it. Would gladly do it all over again.
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ELDERS want to meet with me?
by Smoky inits been about 5 years since i've talked to the elders in the my old congregation.
now the elders from my parents congregation, want to come by and talk with me (sheperding call?).
i know one of them, i believe they feel obligated since i llive in there territory.
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donuthole
@Smoky
It may be that they sincerely want to visit with you and see how you are doing; however, don't discount the idea that they might be stopping by to see how you feel about "Jehovah's Organization" with the idea of getting you back to the meetings or disfellowshipping you. You asked, "Should I be worried?" I assume that meant you still want to remain a Witness, officially, while still being inactive.
If it was simply one elder dropping by I wouldn't worry too much. If there are two elders than they might be making an investigation visit. If you don't want to be disfellowshipped you need to be very, very guarded with what you say to them. You would want to avoid expressing any doubts over their practices or teachings. You specifically need to avoid the question, "Do you believe this is Jehovah's Organization?". You also need to be careful if they try to put you in a corner by asking, "Do you still feel you are one of Jehovah's Witnesses?" What they may be doing is trying to lead you into a line of conversation where you will disassociate yourself by word.
I don't know your reason for being out for five years but the the explanation that they will accept the best would be discouragement over how people treated you. Alternatively you could talk about depression or getting distracted with work and life or something like that.
It might be best to put off the meeting and see how persistant they are to meet with you. Unless they are on witch hunt, Elders can be pretty unzealous about their theocratic routines. In the new elder's book they are specificly counseled against spending too much time with "chronic cases". If you put off their visit they might lose interest.
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Where to post the new Elder Manual
by Elsewhere ini've noticed some here expressing difficulty finding a good place to host the new elder's manual.. the solution is simple: wikileaks.
wikileaks is a site that specializes in hosting controversial and secret content that needs to be made public.. http://wikileaks.org/.
http://wikileaks.org/media/submissions.html.
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donuthole
I think Wikileaks currently has turned all their resources toward the release of the Iraq War Diaries. It has been reported that there is internal criticism that by focusing on big headline stories like this it was drawing away from other, smaller yet important documents. Maybe when the clamor over this Iraq leak subsides the site will return to normal.
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Dubs at the Door
by Farkel inknock, knock.... hh (householder): yes?
dub1: good morning.
we are working with a group of your neighbors today sharing some christian good news about the future.
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donuthole
!! Funny.
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According to fundi Christians, where did people go when they died pre-ransom?
by sabastious inbefore jesus offered the ransom, where did people go when they died?.
-sab.
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donuthole
I had conversation over the weekend with a sincere young man that claimed that every human ever living that didn't hear the gospel message and accept Jesus as a personal savior are going to hell.
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Thought stopper: "We are the only ones doing what Jesus did."
by sabastious inthis is one of the top thought stopping phrases here.. it invalidates any argument presented against the organization.
it basically says this:.
"it doesn't matter who did what in the org, it doesn't matter how bad things get, we are the only ones doing what jesus did, therefore all errors and corruption are disregarded as we await the end.".
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donuthole
Very true. Most conversations with JW's about the flaws of the Organization lead down to this and when they say the "preaching work", they primarily think of going house-to-house, door-to-door. I think this is one reason why the door-to-door method has become a staple even though it is having diminishing returns.
The reality is very easy to deconstruct even though most Witnesses are unwilling to go there. Jesus didn't engage in a preaching work in the same manner as Witnesses do today. In fact the Bible contains an explicit instruction that his apostles "not be transfering from house to house". Even if the manner was correct the good news message that Witnesses claim to preach is not the same preached by Jesus and those after him.
Jesus did say that his followers would be identified, not by the preaching work, but by their love. Are Jehovah's Witnesses today characterized by their love? I know most JW's would say "yes, definitely" and could maybe cite some examples about not going to war or helping out in times of crisis. Put the same question to some of their abandoned elderly brothers and sisters rotting in nursing homes and you might get a different answer.
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donuthole
Do people really think that the Watchtower is going to take a person to court for quoting part of their publication in a personal letter to a family member and not properly attributing the source material? Really?
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DMCA Complaint from The WatchTower for links to KS-10 'Shepherding' book
by Simon inyes, that's right, they really do not like people being able to read that book so they wanted links to it removed (it appears they have also been going after the hosts of the content itself as well).. unfortunately, i had to removed the links (which were dead anyway when i checked) and i'd ask that people don't re-post them (sorry).
i'm sure there are lots of alternative ways for those with the information to get it to those who need it.. here are the discussions on the book:.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/200524/1/ks10-chapter-one-discussion.
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donuthole
I realize it would be painful for you to think about all these needless deaths being ordered/expected by the WTB&TS Corporation Bylaws.
Rabbit I believe you made really sound points that cuts through all the legal wrangling to get to the heart of the matter. This copyrighted manual contains directives and policies from abusive judicial Committees to medical decisions involving blood to child molestation to suicide that will damage, harm, abuse and yes, even kill people. There is a reason that the Watchtower wanted to keep the contents of this book secret from millions of Jehovah's Witnesses who will suffer from the information it contains. Equally, there will be some who will excercise civil disobedience and ignore copyright laws to see that this information is publicly available.
I say this to former elders and especially current elders. I think for some of you, books like this were/are welcomed. Because so long as you were being told what to do you didn't have to exercise your own conscience. You may have seen first hand the damage and pain you caused others but at the end of the day you could take solace in the fact that you were just doing what you were told. You laid down and thought, Mother knows best; yet even then you still had trouble sleeping. Know this, there will be a day of accounting and on that day when the tears and blood of those you harmed are brought before you, you will not be able to point to a KS book and say I was just following orders. That simply will not cut it.
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Copyright, piracy, plagarism, "Fair use": What are they?
by Lady Lee into be really legal and picky about it if you were to quote me further down in the thread it would be legal to say something like.
it still belongs to them.
and there is no way they would give that kind of permission.
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donuthole
And really is there a need for JWs to have this book. It's boring like all their other books. The only thing really different is what they get to write in the columns
Is there value for one of Jehovah's Witnesses facing a Judicial Committee, to have access to the policies and procedures outlined in the Elder's book that will seriously impact their life, including those procedures that elders are specifically instructed not to inform them of?
Is there value for a country like Bulgaria having clear examples of written policies showing the Watchtower's duplicity and deceit when it comes to dealing with JW's who choose to have a blood transfusion?
Is there value for attorneys involved in child molestation cases being able to use the elder's book to prove the Watchtower's claims of clergy confidentially when dealing abusers invalid?