several enemies of the watchtower have ebulliently expressed the sentiment: let the games begin.
indeed, i too share that desire to let the games begin, so-to-speak.
but, what exactly are we to expect when once the games commence?
YOU KNOW
DO YOUR CONGREGATION ELDERS AND OVERSEERS KNOW ABOUT THE WORK YOU DO ON THIS BOARD?
IF SO, WHAT CONGREGATION ARE YOU IN, ID LIKE TO TALK TO THEM - I THOUGHT ID BE A LOT OF TROUBLE FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, BUT IF ITS O.K FOR YOU, IT WOULD BE COOL FOR ME, RIGHT??
JUST WANT TO GET THE GO AHEAD FROM YOUR CONGREGATION
several enemies of the watchtower have ebulliently expressed the sentiment: let the games begin.
indeed, i too share that desire to let the games begin, so-to-speak.
but, what exactly are we to expect when once the games commence?
YOU KNOW,
Your quote:
"Be amazed then"
You know, the reason I ask is that I sincerly DOUBT the claim that you are a JW...
Put it this way:
I have been lurking on this board a long time and have seen your posts, I have been talking to my family for some time, telling them of the things I have discovered on this board, obviously they are upset, they feel this board is the worst possible place I could be, conversing with ex - JW's.
I told them that it is not just "apostates" on this board, but people from other religions, bible researchers, atheists, even Jehovahs Witnesses.
My mother refused to believe me. She said that there is absolutely no way a Jehovahs Witness would be talking to apostates, especially on a forum devoted to apostasy.
I told her that there was indeed a very active poster who consistantly claimed to be a Jehovahs Witness.
Her reaction
"Not a chance, this person is an apostate, they are on the net to stumble any witnesses visiting"
I asked her why this would be stumbling them
"Because if any other witnesses accidentally got on the forum and read it, they would think it was o.k to talk to apostates because this person is - this is one of the very clever techniques apostates use to get witnesses out of the truth."
After I thought about this, it kind of made sense.
So, YOUKNOW, I hope you can see my confusion here.
As far as I can see it, YOUKNOW, your being here is HELPING the apostates - you see if you are INDEED an apostate, well you are doing a good job with what my mother claimed she believed you were doing.
If you are a witness, well, I think you are kind of really far away from what I am sure you are trying to do.
Either way, the apostates win. You Know?
hi all,.
i know that when i was a j.w, the one thing i hated most was the unloving slanderous gossip that went on in most congregations.. the worst gossip that went around about me was that i was a satanist.. how about you?
There was also another one a little earlier that was started by someone, a few people were apparently claiming that I enjoyed attending meetings. (he he)
" In another meoment, down went Alice after it, never once considering how in the world she was to get out again." - Lewis Carroll (Alice in Wonderland)
hi all,.
i know that when i was a j.w, the one thing i hated most was the unloving slanderous gossip that went on in most congregations.. the worst gossip that went around about me was that i was a satanist.. how about you?
Hi all,
I know that when I was a J.W, the one thing I hated most was the unloving slanderous gossip that went on in most congregations.
The worst gossip that went around about me was that I was a satanist.
How about you?
something i would really appreciate feedback for.... if any of you have ever made and impact on a jw what was it?
what was the one sentance, or one seed of doubt that made their brains start ticking?
were you sucessful?
Jerome,
Your analysis was absolutely SPOT ON
" That is a lie! I dont want to hear it."
actually it went like this: *(after I showed them an N.G.O's requirements)
"There is absolutely no way that the WT could be an N.G.O."
Ok, but I KNOW that they had a good reason."
It went like this:
"They did'nt know, it had something to do with Sep 11 and a new clause, to tighten things up there are heaps of loopholes in the U.N"
quote:
They recieve verification. Then they look for the tiniest itsy bitsy bit of error in the document just so that you can discredit the whole thing.
They focused completely on the quote that said being an N.G.O did not incorporate them into the U.N system, nor does it give them any privelages. They focused on this, and saw nothing of the surrounding text.
This is when they show their true cultic colors and get real dam pissed to f*** off at you. You ask them why are they getting so upset "I just want a peacefull discussion"but they wont hear any of it.
Yes, lots of anger and defense.
Jerome, you have been through something similar?
At the moment I am not talking about it, in fact I have given up on the U.N topic.
But I do know, that every time they hear a talk on neutrality or witness about it, they'll be thinking about this.
Q: Jerome, why do witnesses blatantly refuse to call the U.N for verification? I have urged people to do this a number of times and they will not - why cant they just do it and prove that they are right if they are so sure that they are?
I appreciate your responses greatly.
Thank you also Introspection, morrisamb and Yadira
I am enjoying being here with you all.
something i would really appreciate feedback for.... if any of you have ever made and impact on a jw what was it?
what was the one sentance, or one seed of doubt that made their brains start ticking?
were you sucessful?
Morrisamb,
Fair enough then, and peace be with you.
something i would really appreciate feedback for.... if any of you have ever made and impact on a jw what was it?
what was the one sentance, or one seed of doubt that made their brains start ticking?
were you sucessful?
Morrisamb,
I understand your thinking and your reasoning,
i would be interested to know whether you were shunned by your family when you left, or if they refuse to talk to you about anything JW associated?
You see, it's very very hard for the people on this forum to not want to change peoples minds, as they know that these people who are shunning them are doing it because of their brainwashing by the organisation. The other religions you mentioned do not shun their family members for leaving.
It is very frustrating to be looked down upon by people you love, especially when you know that the force that is moving them to do so is FALSE, it creates resentment on the shunned individuals part, understandably, I hope you can see.
The people on this forum LOVE their family. They are not the seething monsters the society make them out to be. They only want to free their familys and friends from entrapment.
something i would really appreciate feedback for.... if any of you have ever made and impact on a jw what was it?
what was the one sentance, or one seed of doubt that made their brains start ticking?
were you sucessful?
Jerome,
I got told in chat room the other night that theres no brilliant thing you can say to enlighten a JW - I know, but... there must be something that makes them think.
Yes, the U.N issue....
mmm...
I got all the proof for my family, they were eager to refute that the WT was ever affiliated with the U.N
When I proved it was so, they wrote a letter to Brooklyn
You can guess the reply.
Well, they were shocked, but said that they believed the answer.
They reasoned that the U.N is such a huge intricate organisation, that there would be lots of loopholes and clauses in the requirements, and that the WT had done nothing wrong.
They then refused to discuss it anymore when I easily refuted this.
What would be your response?
several enemies of the watchtower have ebulliently expressed the sentiment: let the games begin.
indeed, i too share that desire to let the games begin, so-to-speak.
but, what exactly are we to expect when once the games commence?
YOU KNOW,
Are you REALLY a JW?
If so, I am truly amazed.
hi everyone,.
i am a new poster who is putting off their own personal story of finding this site for a while..... i find alot of people here utterly fascinating, and would like to know..... exactly what is everyones professional field of work?.
i would like to be a full time poster on this forum, but alas, the $$$$ are quite light in that field of work.. apologies if this has been asked before.. just curious.
Im a sales manager and trainer.
Guess it's all those hours selling magazines coming through.
