at a young age i remember watching tv and commenting why is the red cross always helping people and we don't.
the second big one is if the witnesses only started up in 1890 - 1900 did jehovah not have anyone else doing the preaching work?.
as a child i don't think we think about theological problems so what tipped you off?
As a kid I wondered why all the Bible characters had beards but not the brothers at the Hall
didn't they have shaving in Egypt? Why did Jehovah tell the men not to shave the extremities of
their facial hair but all the brothers were clean shaven? Maybe it was like arm pits and legs for
ladies, in the olden days Hebrew women probably didn't shave legs and arm pits either. Funny
things a young mind can think of while bored out of your mind and made to sit still at the KH.
please, please, please let the libertarians, republicans and their offshoot the tea party, run on this issue.
oh my heavens what a joy it would be to line up all the runners and tell half of the americans - the vast majority of those who actually live on their social security, that they want to take it away.
abolish it.
just got back from memorial.
only went so that i could say to my parents that i had gone and to remind myself why i left.. oh my word!!!
it was sooooo painful.. got there a bit late - it was a couple of minutes into the talk.
My partaking tonight was done in full knowledge that I believe in Christ as my Savior, I partook of the emblems in a quiet and dignified manner.
No one questioned me. I'm glad I went and followed the command to remember his Sacrifice, which covers over all those who put faith in Him as the promised Messiah.
i sat in the car with some trepidation and minor nerves and walked the 200 yards to the k/h on this damp dreary night.
i was a bit early and was greeted pleasantly by a hall attendant who shook my hand an asked my name, as i walked inside to my surprise i recognized 3 of the brethren, one was a guy who was a reasonably good pal who dated a friend of mine all those years back, he exchanged glances and he blanked me, the others were a middle aged couple who were sat a few rows in front of me but no eye contact was made, i proceeded to sit down and another 2 sisters greeted me, so in the space of about 10 mins a grand total of 4 people have made the big effort to say hi.
the opening song commenced and the sister next to me kindly offered me her songbook.
My partaking tonight was done in full knowledge that I believe in Christ as my Savior, I also partook of the emblems in a quiet and dignified manner.
No one questioned me. There were April WTs on a table in the rear of the KH for people to take, I didn't take one, I get them at my KH back home.
Since I'm only visiting there's no reason to make a fuss and give an impression I'm dissatisfied with the WTS. I enjoyed it, it was a nice congregation!
The brother who gave the talk could have put anyone to sleep, with his whispery voice as he went through the outline of the talk.
The bread was so hard it was very difficult to chew. The wine was very dry, almost as dry as the bread. But to me these signified the flesh and blood
of my Savior and I'm glad I followed the command to remember his Sacrifice, which covers over all those who put faith in Him as the promised Messiah.
what a flurry of interesting topics on jwn lately!
my oh my.. i haven't posted in the last few days... nor read the forum.. this last week i was back east visiting friends in the troof.. lucky for me it was assembly time, so packing and going to.
natick assembly hall (boston, ma), and caught the sunday.
This guy sounds familiar.
This is his first District Overseers post. Before that he was Circuit Overseer in
this same area from what it sounds like. I don't have many details on the other
brother, the one who was manhandling himself at work, other than that it happened
while Brother Rodrigues (ROD-rix) was a CO. His re-appointment was railroaded
through the old BOE where his previous wife and children live still.
The current CO was a little man, real tiny, think little Napoleon, he had a booming
and in your face type of voice and seemed to want to out-do the DO in making his
point against apostates and other denigrates. For some reason this CO Scott Henry
and the DO really went after people with homes, saying the counsel was to sell and
simplify and if we listened we'd be happier people, but look at the sad situation in
the world. There were several examples of people losing work, or hours getting
cut back who decided to auxiliary instead of looking for full time employment, and
the supportive applause was always forthcoming from the audience.
This little CO is the one who has deleted dozens of 'older' elders in the circuit, even
the Dad of the family I stayed with, and in one of his talks was complaining more
elders were needed and how so many new elders under 40 were appointed yet
many more are needed in the congregations. Well duh! If he didn't delete elders
and experienced ones at that he wouldn't have to complain. But I think he meant
new elders who are first of all company men who won't ask or complain when Mamma
WT says to do something.
If you don't have a home mortgage, how can you get home equity, so when you're
older you have something to fall back on. Or if you only work full time (like I'm doing)
how do you get medical insurance and retirement income? This DO and CO duo are
just setting people up to have a very meager old age, because they are blind
believers in a Corporation's promise that lookie-here the end of this system is
imminent.
What about all the real estate projects the WTS has going on right now and the
future plans for expansion in NY State? Why don't they simplify and provide
retirement accounts for Bethel workers? Why don't they take their own advice?
Is this guy Portuguese?
In name only, he doesn't even speak Portuguese (he's second generation).
I wanted to learn more about him but that's all I could find out. Anyone from
Massachusetts Area that can add more info?
what a flurry of interesting topics on jwn lately!
my oh my.. i haven't posted in the last few days... nor read the forum.. this last week i was back east visiting friends in the troof.. lucky for me it was assembly time, so packing and going to.
natick assembly hall (boston, ma), and caught the sunday.
brushed under the carpet just like catholic priests who love little boys.
One cute single brother was talking to the Dad of the family I stayed with and this
guy looked like he was brimming and to the point of wetting himself with glee
talking about how the Catholic Church's latest scandal may bring the Pope down.
I wanted to jump in and mention the thousands upon thousands of child abuse
cases the WT has had to settle and paid lots of contribution money for as a result
of hiding pedophiles in the congregations... I wanted to, but I yet didn't want to. it
was weird, I just wanted to look at his pretty but manly clean shaven face and
without registering in my mind the stupid things that came out of his mouth.
Sometimes I think like JWs feel like they're expected to say and repeat stupid even
biased, hateful, and wrong things just to affirm that they are the only ones' who
got it right and every other religion is false, all others are morons for following their
religious leaders and wickedly worthy of dying because they don't wake up. But
it's exactly the behavior, and frame of mind, that JWs exhibit.
And yeah, Rodrigues / ROD-ricks is moving out to District 2, he'll have Walkill and
Patterson in his new assignment. The WTS seems to favor the sort of wacko blind
believer and indoctrinator that "ROD-ricks" represents, he seems like a real company
man, even going on about the Governing Body representing the Faithful and Discreet
Slave and how it was sooooo accurate that the Governing Body told us back in 2006
that we should not get into heavy debt... even suggesting to us that we simplify our
living arrangements, perhaps selling our expensive homes and renting instead so as
to not be burdened and look what happened to the economy. If we had sold out of
our homes back when we read this counsel we would be so much better off now. He
actually said this, I couldn't believe it, I just rolled my eyes, and looked around at all
the numbed faces around the Assembly Hall.
What does ROD-ricks know about life anyway? He's been provided with an appartment,
a brand new car every couple of years, all his meals taken care of, medical insurance,
life insurance, accident insurance, car insurance, and retirement. What does he know
about having to earn a living nowadays, putting down people who live on credit, and
scrounge to make payments every month? What does he have to pay? Does he pay
for his car? for his furnished appartment? for his new laptop? for his Amazon Kindle?
And the fact that he doesn't even want his name pronounced like it should be, and wants
to Americanize it with an English pronunciation goes to show how disconnected he is from
his ethnic background. He's a true Mamma WT's boy, even right down to his shiny
laundered and professionally fitted suit... who pays for his laundering bill? You know he's
aiming for a higher post in the corporate WT ladder. His condescending manner is so obvious.
I had like to know where is the newspaper story
I was told it was in a local newspaper. From what I was told during the ride back from the
Assembly Hall, this guy was still an elder when he had an affair with a worldly woman.
He left his wife and kids, moved in with the new girlfriend, the wife got a divorce and sued
for child support. I think that what the paper said was only about his appearing in court
and having to pay a fine for being found by a police officer fully disrobed at his workplace
and masturbating from behind his office window, there were witnesses. I can't remember
exactly what I was told appeared in the paper each time his name showed up but those
are the details I couldn't get out of my mind. Can you imagine a neighbor calling the cops
on this guy you see naked and masturbating, looking out of his office window to unsuspecting
passersby below, and the cops catching him in flagrante delicto, ehem, red handed???
And then he shows up at your door, trying to place the WT and Awake!
I'll email tonight and ask about that, but I can't be too obviously interested, if you know what
I mean. I'll try to get more info on it though.
what a flurry of interesting topics on jwn lately!
my oh my.. i haven't posted in the last few days... nor read the forum.. this last week i was back east visiting friends in the troof.. lucky for me it was assembly time, so packing and going to.
natick assembly hall (boston, ma), and caught the sunday.
What a flurry of interesting topics on JWN lately! My oh my.
I haven't posted in the last few days... nor read the forum.
This last week I was back East visiting friends in the Troof.
Lucky for me it was Assembly time, so packing and going to
Natick Assembly Hall (Boston, MA), and caught the Sunday
session. The family breaks it up into two weekends, going
one week on Saturday and another on Sunday, a comfortable
arrangement, I thought. Besides it left Saturday to go shopping.
At the CA one of the last talks was by this DO named Rodrigues
who likes his name pronounced ROD-ricks. He actually said that
on an APOSTATE WEBSITE THERE WAS DISCUSSION OF A RECENT
WT ARTICLE... AND THAT THEY ALWAYS THROW IN SOME TRUTH,
JUST LIKE SATAN IN THE GARDEN WITH "is it really so that God
said you may not eat from all of the trees in the garden?" AND
THAT THE APOSTATES WERE FINDING FAULT THAT THE DISCUSSION
OF THE WATCHTOWER WAS ABOUT A MAN WHO WAS AN ADULTERER
AND A MURDERER, AND THEY'RE RIGHT UNTIL YOU REALIZE THEY
MEANT KING DAVID.
Well, what the heck! Who told him what was going on in Apostate Website Discussions? Which JW was reading the forums? Was it him?
And if some active JW was monitoring the apostate forums how is that allowed? or condoned by the WTS? Doesn't this DO realize by saying what he says he makes it obvious that someone in the Troof is keeping tabs on what goes on at Apostate Website Discussions?
This is the same guy who re appointed an elder who'd left his wife, and was on the local newspaper twice for being arrested for sexually exposing himself in public. Then just three years later because he was good golf and work buddies with the service committee in his new congregation he was re-appointed as an elder. The family I stayed with knows this elder's previous family and they couldn't get over it.
It's always interesting to see how there's sick problems in the WT organization no matter where you go, three thousand miles away and still the same. The good-ol-boy network covering up and the wreckage of broken families swept under the rug by hypocritical DOs and COs who only care about their control and their petty WT approved titles of privilege.
Well, at least the shopping was fun. It feels good to do one's share for the economy. Buy "American" -- stay away from Walmarts! Also it was good to visit a JW family who don't let themselves be brainwashed to the point of sacrificing their lives to a Publishing Corporation.
i thought the april wt's brazen generation doctrine change would barely get an official mention before nor after the two paragraphs that deal with it, but yesterday i went to the circuit overseer's visit and in a talk from a bethel outline, he specifically mentioned the change, and i quote... "the very very very newest information we have available, from the april 15th 2010 watchtower!
" ..reads the infamous paragraphs.. and then, "isn't that wonderful brothers and sisters?
so now we understand that it means that brother russell's life overlapped with brother rutherford's who's life overlapped (he went through them all), so clearly, this means the end is near.".
Honestly, I don't understand why they bothered to bring up the subject or what they hope to accomplish by pointing Witless attention to this prophetic failure.
I think I do understand why they do bother to bring this generation subject up.
It's probably meant as a filtering out of those who aren't truly convinced and brainwashed.
If you're conscious of the WTS lies then you'd probably get so sick of the nonsense that you'd
end up leaving the 'fold'. That way they're left with the un-thinking, un-questioning drones who'd
do anything for Mamma WT.
just ask our vice president joe biden.
once again, he has put his foot in his mouth by dropping the f-bomb when he shakes obama's hand.. granted... i'll take biden's "this is a big f*cking deal" over dick cheney's "go f*ck yourself" any day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqenikp1rj8.
if one 'googles' the phrase, you get 167,000,000 hits!.
'bing' it, and you get 129,000,000 hits.. here is a sampling of opinion from just the first page of google hits.. 1] douglas groothuis, ph.d., teaches philosophy at denver seminary.
here is his 'take' on truth: http://www.leaderu.com/theology/groothuis-truth.html.
--John Keats, Ode on a Grecian Urn
