Spike you have yet to prove to anyone that there is a mention of God's Kingdom in the "tree dream" the fact that God can give or take power away from human kings is NOT a reference to God's Universal kingdom NOR a reference to the Messianic Kingdom which is what you are actually claiming.
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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The truth is that the reason my wife and I left was bound up with "Making the Truth Our Own"
by gubberningbody inyou get contacted, you come in, you learn the bible their way, then you learn the bible your way and then you leave.. you make the truth your own..
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That's not a taunt. I have a very real issue with the basis for "Church" autority which is weel documented in my posts. I'd like to here your defense of the WTS claim to authority based on my previous post.
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The truth is that the reason my wife and I left was bound up with "Making the Truth Our Own"
by gubberningbody inyou get contacted, you come in, you learn the bible their way, then you learn the bible your way and then you leave.. you make the truth your own..
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Truth on the march. That is the Catholic Church's claim to authority. They were appointed by the 12 Apostles and they appointed the next set of church leadership, etc...etc.... They belive that the "truth" was not given in the beginning but their was a progreessive revealing of truth to the Church from Christ. They believe that their ecumenical councils have the authority that your "Faithful Slave" does. The arguement doesn't hold water for either one of you. It is all a bunch of man-made crap. ........
In the scriptures progressive revelation always is in adding to existing knowledge - NEVER - does scriptural knowledge contradict previous knowledge. Like Russel said - "If future light should contradict current light then one of them is not light at all". The WTS continues to claim Jah is giving them "new light" that contradicts the "light" Jah gave them before - This concept is not scriptural nor acceptable Christians.
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The truth is that the reason my wife and I left was bound up with "Making the Truth Our Own"
by gubberningbody inyou get contacted, you come in, you learn the bible their way, then you learn the bible your way and then you leave.. you make the truth your own..
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Spike - exactly. no lies can be found in the "truth". Lies have been found in the WTS teachings. Remember Rutherford - all by himself invented the idea of "Jehovah's Witnesses", The generation being actual number of years, got rid of bodies of elders, an earthly class of Christians, etc, etc, many of Rutherford's teachings have been abandoned of eventually changed back to Russell's teachings (BOE, Generation) No One today has the right to claim the authority JWs do. It is arrogant and offensive to the Christ that these men are treated as leaders tho they speak of their own initiative not at God's command.
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Question
by inbetween injust have a question,.
when you found out about things regarding the wts, maybe on the internet, on this side or another, or you had serious doubts by yourself, did you talk to somebody ?
maybe an elder or a good friend ?.
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I tried to talk to one my very best friends(a fellow elder) and someone I respect very much. As soon as he figured out what I was talking about he said "You should write the branch." Then told his wife (one of my wife's best friends) that she couldn't come to our house anymore. I haven't heard from him since. Tragic. He's a good guy trapped in something he can't understand and I have nothing but pity for him and those like him. DON'T talk to anyone about "your doubts" If you want ot talk about the subject and see how JWs answer things try the "I was asked this question in service and don't know how to respond" Then you can ask any question you want and the person you ask will feel obligated to help and not think you are an apostate. Good Luck.
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The truth is that the reason my wife and I left was bound up with "Making the Truth Our Own"
by gubberningbody inyou get contacted, you come in, you learn the bible their way, then you learn the bible your way and then you leave.. you make the truth your own..
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Reniaa - A group making desicions? You mean Russell throwing away his association with groups like Methodists, Adventists, and millerites and deciding only HE in all the world had the right interpretation. The small study group in PA the JWs talk about was him, his dad and mom, and 2 friends of theirs who left the group sometime later. It was all about what ONE man thought. Ditto Rutherford, Knorr, Franz until the 70's made the adjustment of the "Governing Body". Do you think the interpretations of 12 old uneducated white guys in NY is better than mine? Even if they have the best motives in mind they have been tied to their traditional beliefs even when they don't hold to them personally. Let us examine further - Martin Luther - better ideas than the Catholic Church? Calvin? Wycliffe? Arius (who contested the Trinity doctrine)? Jesus - defied the true religion the group of Pharisees and priests? All the prophets who defied the "group" thinking of their day and were willing to speak out against false worship and hypocrisy? Noah - who defied all goup thinking and built an ark? Sorry "Goup" thinking is as likel to be wrong as individual thinking. The God has a personal relationship with each of us and we do not need men to mediate for us. He has always used "a man" to give the truth NEVER an organization.
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The Case for Unitarianism
by UnDisfellowshipped in* the bible teaches that there is only one true god, only one person who is almighty god, and this one person is the father.
(see john 17:3; john 5:37, 5:44; john 8:54; isaiah 63:15-16; malachi 1:6; 1st corinthians 8:6; ephesians 4:6).
(john 5:19-20; 5:30; 8:28; 12:49).
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Reniaa - Did you read my question? Undisfellowshipped stated it more thoroughly. I don't mind "Jehovah" when the verse is clearly quoting a Hebrew verse with YHWH in it. What about all the others? The list above is a great starting place.
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The Case for Unitarianism
by UnDisfellowshipped in* the bible teaches that there is only one true god, only one person who is almighty god, and this one person is the father.
(see john 17:3; john 5:37, 5:44; john 8:54; isaiah 63:15-16; malachi 1:6; 1st corinthians 8:6; ephesians 4:6).
(john 5:19-20; 5:30; 8:28; 12:49).
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So ignoring my question makes me feel you are not sincere in approaching a converstion. Please understand - I was not and do not argue against using Jehovah as God's name I always have and probably always will. I am arguing not about imperfect men making mistakes. I'm talking about the DISHONESTY of translating the word of God in a way that cannot be supported by Greek text whole or in part. Please answer the questions. I always try to answer yours and common courtesy would suggest you do the same. -
What do you think about using Jehovah in the Greek scriptures where it is not a quote from the Hebrew? Did you know that this is done many times - especially in Paul's writings?
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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Oh no I can't see the most recent posts. Not even mine. Sucks.
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How many lives have been RUINED by the Organization? Experiences?
by BonaFide ini think that some people deserve to be excommunicated, such as pedophiles.
but what about the tens of thousands of others that have their life wrenched out from under them by being disfellowshipped?.
and what about those that have a family member that died because of not receiving a blood transfusion?
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Reniaa - you do what site you're on right? We are people who have been skinned and thrown about by pretend shepherds. The WTS and their representatives have done EVERYTHING the pharisees were condemned by Jesus for and much more. Save the self-righteousness for your meetings. Stick to posts where you can do some good arguing the positive side of witness doctrine not personal experience stuff. Many people want to know they are not alone in there suffering at the hands of these men. And they have every right to ask for this help.