Only once. I took a knife to my chest. I held it there thinking about my brother who had died in a car accident. I was 15 he had been dead 1-1/2 years (he was 20 when he died), my parents were divorced my mother was disfellowshipped and remarried, my father was never a JW and had no feelings I ever saw. All I wanted was peace.......
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...The End...
by OUTLAW inenough of all the shit in life.. and..wanted to just end it?.
check out and not come back?.
fall asleep and not wake up?.
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The Case for Unitarianism
by UnDisfellowshipped in* the bible teaches that there is only one true god, only one person who is almighty god, and this one person is the father.
(see john 17:3; john 5:37, 5:44; john 8:54; isaiah 63:15-16; malachi 1:6; 1st corinthians 8:6; ephesians 4:6).
(john 5:19-20; 5:30; 8:28; 12:49).
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Matt 28:19 - I have always understood "in the name of" to be a reference to "by the authority of" - ie "stop - in the name of the law" if there is some other understanding of the original language I'm missing here I would be interested to hear it..... John 17:11 - vague - we are to be one "just" as the son and father are one. This is a statement that repressents 2 things exactly the same. The way in which we are one is the way the Son and Father are the same. That is one in purpose and will. John 16:14 - the NWT says "That one will glorify me, because he will receive from what is mine and will declare it to you." Is there something missing in the NWT here? I don't really understand how this says what you are claiming it says. Please explain using orig language and other translations if you have time. ............I have also been interested in the focus on Jesus in the NT. (Obviously JWs diminish it as much as they can by adding "Jehovah" to the NT where it is never found in any of the oldest texts, as well as changing the word "worship" to "do obeseisance" or "bow down" when it refers to Jesus.) I also believe if you insist on Yahweh instead of Jehovah for the OT God's name Yeshuah would be more appropriate for Jesus - just to be consistent.
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Candy To A Jehovahs Witness: Anti - Depressants.
by shamus100 inand why do people go on anti-depressants?
why do most people get depressed?.
most people get depressed because something is wrong in theyre lives.
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My wife is on AD's and has been since before she even studied w/JWs. I agree that JW's are discouraged from getting real help from a counselor or therapist, but many people need the meds to function at all. I do think it is rare that a true chemical/genetic depression exists with needed lifelong meds. Meds are way over pre-scribed, but not always unnecessary. My wife has a therapist she's gone to for over 15 years and that has been a key to her coping with issues and finding real healing. I agree with your doctor that meds without counseling is stupid.
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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So the point I was trying to make. (Even though I messed up my quote) was that Russell counted from Cyrus' first year to get 606 and therefore 1914. His entire prophecy to get the 1914 date was flawed. It used flawed archaeological info, flawed math (zero year), and it used Cyrus' first year not second as the Jews return. But witnesses used his calculations until the fifties. Then when new finds showed Babylon's destuction was in 539 suddenly they dropped Russell's flawed arguments and made the new facts fit the 1914 date. There is still no scriptural tie between Dan. 4 and the Messianic Kingdom. It is about God's sovereignty. period. You can believe what you want but the bible means what it says and says what it means. Any who add to it are subject to God's displeasure.
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The Governing Body's REAL critical date
by Doug Mason inrussell taught that 1914 ce would bring in an unprecedented era of peace.
in 1930, rutherford moved russells date of the parousia from 1874 to 1914. .
thus until 1930 not one follower had recognised the currently ascribed significance in heaven to the time that corresponds to 1914 on our earth.
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Besty - yeah that's the proof - the 2520 days up to 1914 - those mean years, but the 1290 days after 1914 mean real days. goofy yeah? .............. I recently sent a question to branch office on the subject of the 1919 selection process with a copy of my article that is posted on freeminds. http://www.freeminds.org/doctrine/prophecy/what-do-jehovahs-witnesses-believe-about-their-organization-being-chosen-by-god.html (I'll post any response almost 2 months now) I picked nine points that were taught in 1919 I felt would have helped me realize the truth sooner. Most are right that there is nothing that would convince most witnesses, but there are those in the position I was in 3-4 yrs ago who given the right stimulous could free their minds. The best approach I think is the "Someone at the door brought this up - how should I answer it?" That way you're not the apostate and the person you ask will feel obligated to help ou by researching it - they might even learn something.
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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Ann - Thanks I appreciate someone rationally quoting sources even if it shows I made a mistake. Did I misunderstand something else? Does Scholar believe the Jews returned to Jerusalem in Cyrus' first year? I thought he had specifically said it couldn't have been Cyrus' first year, that was the point of my last post, but maybe I'm mistaken. Thanks.
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Questioning me as an apostate
by God_Delusion ini am an active jw.
i was born in the "truth" (i really feel uncomfortable calling it that) and am now married to a witness.. for a year now, i have actually come to see that the gb are just business-psychologists.
anyone who views jehovah's witnesses as a religion and not a cult, really needs to evaluate their way of thinking and they also need to look up the definition of the word "cult".. anyway, my parents recently came over on holiday (they live in another country and are also residents of bethel).
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Back on topic - Welcome to the site. Hope you find it helpful and beneficial. The judicial committe process is an embarrassing unscriptural tool used to control people. I'm embarrassed to have been an elder involved in many. I agree with the posters I've read that it is all about what you want out of the situation. And we are here to help. (I'm still "in" myself for family reasons just so you know) Allelsefails
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Questioning me as an apostate
by God_Delusion ini am an active jw.
i was born in the "truth" (i really feel uncomfortable calling it that) and am now married to a witness.. for a year now, i have actually come to see that the gb are just business-psychologists.
anyone who views jehovah's witnesses as a religion and not a cult, really needs to evaluate their way of thinking and they also need to look up the definition of the word "cult".. anyway, my parents recently came over on holiday (they live in another country and are also residents of bethel).
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Here's the rub. If you believe in an omnipotent God you believe that he could have flooded the Earth and erased all traces of it in geological evidence. Or he could have inspired these stories to written as allegories to teach the lessons he wanted taught about rejection of evil and respect for his authority. Or none of the above he might not be very interested in what we think or what we believe. There is evidence of an ice age which on the meltdown side could have caused "worldwide" flooding about 10,000 years ago. "Racial memory" makes sense for 10,000 year ago flood, but not a 4,000 year ago flood. Chinese history goes back further than that.
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70 years = 607?
by allelsefails in70 years of captivity?.
i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.
that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.
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Don't call me a liar! I quoted the Same book same page as you! In "The Time is at Hand" pg 49-52 specifically under the sub-heading "The Seventy Years of Desolation" Russell said "in the first year of Cyrus, B.C. 536". You have said many time the Jews could not have made it back in Cyrus' first year - 538. Right? I only use real facts in my arguments not made up ones like "Daniel 4 staes the matter but finds it expression by means of that Messianic Kingdom as foretold in Danie 4:17b." 17b is Nebuchadnezzar realizing God had taken his kingdom away and given it back and that God can do that to anyone. You read Daniel and see these wonderful future events. There are parts of Daniel about the future. But the first 6 chapters are narative not prophetic, though it does include prophecies the story is not prophetic. You believe what you want, but don't fool yourself into thinking delusions are truth. You are unable to quote a single source to support your ideas about chapter 4 being tied to the messianic kingdom. ............... I believe the question about being apostate is a proper one becaus of where you are posting. Though I was putting a little humor myself thus the :-).
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Know that the end is here - summary of another DC talk, thanks to AuntBee for her recording
by insearchoftruth inknow that the end is here!.
once again, not a verbatim transcript, but the points i thought seemed pertinent from this talk...once agian, all it seems to be talking about is the end, but did manage a swipe at the internet as well....... .
can you feel it, it seems to be everywhere, what many people are feeling today is the desire for change, many are simply overwhelmed with the pressures of everyday life....... .
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I remember this explanation. This is what Russell said about the 1800's "the worst time in history". He scripturally "proved" that the last days began in 1799 Jesus became King in 1874 all using the same scriptures they use now. If you don't say the end is near you can't get the enthusiasm they need to grow. I recently read stats that show 39,000 people in the US come into the WTS each year and 32,000 go out. How fast would it shrink if 32,000 went out without replacement. Funny Stuff.