allelsefails

Joined

• started 12 topics
• posted 394 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by allelsefails

• 
  61

  I agree with Jehovah's Witnesses!

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i agree with jehovah's witnesses!.

  (i bet reniaa will be shocked to see this thread!).

  to jehovah's witnesses: i commend your zeal for god, your desire for accurate knowledge and truth of the bible, your goals of drawing close to jehovah, and following and obeying christ's teachings, and your time spent studying the bible.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  allelsefails

  Deputy Dog - I don't think undisfellowshipped disagrees with you. Here are points from the original post.

  24:) Christians are saved only by God and Christ's Undeserved Kindness through faith in the Ransom, not by any good works or acts of faith. (Watchtower publications have changed on this teaching over the years. I am going with the very latest publications from the last year)

  30:) Christians should live by God's moral standards -- no fornication, adultery, murder, stealing, lying, idolatry, or even lusting and hating others.

  Do you actually disagree with these? (Of course Undeserved Kindness = Grace).
• 
  9

  Where did these unoffical beliefs/standards come from?

  by highdose in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been doing some reasoning about all the jw teachings i've been taught as i grew up.

  one of them was the belief that if you were baptised young that it would be a protection for you.

  i questioned this at the time as i thought that instead it would make you prey to opposition from satan at a young age.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  allelsefails

  I don't know where it came from. I went to the Convention yesterday and saw the baptism. An interesting thing - Half the ones baptized were 9-13 yrs old the other half were 50-60+ yrs. Not a single "young adult" or even "pre-middle age adult". I think they realize that if you don't get baptized at 16 or earlier you probably won't get baptized at all. They need to push it earlier and earlier. It hasn't done any good still losing 2/3 of those born as witnesses.
• 
  10

  District Convention Theme

  by allelsefails in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just went to the first 2 days of dc.

  hers is what i heard: ,........ .

  you don't need to know the day or hour to serve jehovah well.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  allelsefails

  Maybe that's why it takes 40 years of preaching for the avg. JW to bring in 1 new member? Really seeing the urgency in that kind of work.
• 
  61

  I agree with Jehovah's Witnesses!

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i agree with jehovah's witnesses!.

  (i bet reniaa will be shocked to see this thread!).

  to jehovah's witnesses: i commend your zeal for god, your desire for accurate knowledge and truth of the bible, your goals of drawing close to jehovah, and following and obeying christ's teachings, and your time spent studying the bible.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  allelsefails

  Undisfellowshipped - I find mself agreeing with you a lot. I'd still like to continue our discusion of Unitarianism/Trinitarianism even though the thread was a little distracted. Feel free to PM me or just post to the thread I check it often.
• 
  83

  Do You Consider yourself an Atheist / Agnostic / or Christian? Reasons ?

  by flipper in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  after having been raised in the jehovah's witnesses for 44 years ( getting out 6 years ago ) i have now come to peace with my view of what i personally feel about the existence of god , or no god, or whatever is flying around up there in outer space.

  i am basically agnostic for sure / perhaps leaning atheist and i've come to that decision based on the years and years of unfulfilled false promises of being in a mind control cult ( jehovah's witnesses ) claiming to represent an alleged " god " or " jehovah " saying there would be a paradise, and armageddon to destroy 99% of the earths population.

  also- i enjoy helping others without thought of being rewarded for it.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  allelsefails

  I think he was a carpenter 2,000 yrs ago that said "Why can't be nice to each other?" Great Idea for a religion if you ask me. But not helping people beat booze - He's been dead for 2,000 years.
• 
  61

  I agree with Jehovah's Witnesses!

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i agree with jehovah's witnesses!.

  (i bet reniaa will be shocked to see this thread!).

  to jehovah's witnesses: i commend your zeal for god, your desire for accurate knowledge and truth of the bible, your goals of drawing close to jehovah, and following and obeying christ's teachings, and your time spent studying the bible.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  allelsefails

  To me (admittedly a cynic of Paul) this looks like the classic James vs. Paul debate. Grace of God comes from fath in Christ nothing to do with works. However James clearly shows that "faith WITHOUT works is dead". Which is it? The Chicken or the Egg? I think undisfellowshipped's point is clear - If you have true faith you will have Christian works. If your life violates Jesus' moral teachings then your faith is not "true" faith. If you're not obedient to the Christ in your actions then you give the lie to your claim of Faith. JWs teach a few things that are correct so do Catholics, so do Baptists, so do Menonnites, so do Christadelphians, so do Methodists, so do Episcopalians, so do ..... etc... ect... etc.....

  "What is Truth?"
• 
  10

  District Convention Theme

  by allelsefails in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i just went to the first 2 days of dc.

  hers is what i heard: ,........ .

  you don't need to know the day or hour to serve jehovah well.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  allelsefails

  I just went to the first 2 days of DC. Hers is what I heard: ,........

  You don't need to know the day or hour to serve Jehovah well. ....

  If you don't think the end is coming your time you will give up ........

  Keep your sense of urgency ..........

  The end is "near" it is coming "soon". (Whatever that means).........

  The prophecies of FDS, Discreet Virgins, Talents, (Matt 24 & 25) have been fulfilled. .........

  You need to be in expectation and keep on the watch because the fulfillment of Matt 24 & 25 is still future ........

  Absolutely the most contradictory presentation of material I have ever heard. Not going to Sun. (don't think I can handle the Revelation bull) .....

  Only went to be there for my wife didn't want her to drive and go by herself, but she doesn't want my help tomorrow. Fair enough - I'll sleep in. ...

  QUESTION - If Jesus started reigning in 1914 does that mean there is only 900 years left of the Messianic Kingdom? I thought he was only going to rule for 1,000 years? funney ney?
• 
  421

  70 years = 607?

  by allelsefails in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  70 years of captivity?.

  i myself have always believed that when archaeology disagreed with the bible the bible must be right.

  that is how i dismissed the idea that jerusalem was destroyed in 586/587 bce.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  allelsefails

  Spike you have yet to prove to anyone that there is a mention of God's Kingdom in the "tree dream" the fact that God can give or take power away from human kings is NOT a reference to God's Universal kingdom NOR a reference to the Messianic Kingdom which is what you are actually claiming.
• 
  60

  The truth is that the reason my wife and I left was bound up with "Making the Truth Our Own"

  by gubberningbody in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you get contacted, you come in, you learn the bible their way, then you learn the bible your way and then you leave.. you make the truth your own..

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  allelsefails

  That's not a taunt. I have a very real issue with the basis for "Church" autority which is weel documented in my posts. I'd like to here your defense of the WTS claim to authority based on my previous post.
• 
  60

  The truth is that the reason my wife and I left was bound up with "Making the Truth Our Own"

  by gubberningbody in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you get contacted, you come in, you learn the bible their way, then you learn the bible your way and then you leave.. you make the truth your own..

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  allelsefails

  Truth on the march. That is the Catholic Church's claim to authority. They were appointed by the 12 Apostles and they appointed the next set of church leadership, etc...etc.... They belive that the "truth" was not given in the beginning but their was a progreessive revealing of truth to the Church from Christ. They believe that their ecumenical councils have the authority that your "Faithful Slave" does. The arguement doesn't hold water for either one of you. It is all a bunch of man-made crap. ........

  In the scriptures progressive revelation always is in adding to existing knowledge - NEVER - does scriptural knowledge contradict previous knowledge. Like Russel said - "If future light should contradict current light then one of them is not light at all". The WTS continues to claim Jah is giving them "new light" that contradicts the "light" Jah gave them before - This concept is not scriptural nor acceptable Christians.