According to Don Cameron the "only" method for reaching a witness is to point on the legitimacy of the GB. Point on all the false prophecies and ask: "How can Jehovah expect ordinary people to be able to choose a 'prophet' who never ever has got any prediction fulfilled?"
Posts by bamse
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7The Final Remark from a JW after 1200 Emails
by maputo95 inafter 1250 emails between my friend, derek and i discussing why i am a catholic.
and not a jw and after sending him verses about how christ wants to come into.
our lives etc, i came to the conclusion, my friend who had not uttered one.
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Only bad things in ancient birthdays?
by bamse inthe fds argue about the murders in connection with the only two birthday parties mentioned in the bible.. the cup bearer was released at pharaoh's birthday.
by that incident joseph could be freed and next; millions of people included the israelite were saved from famine.
one man was killed, but millions were saved..
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bamse
The FDS argue about the murders in connection with the only two birthday parties mentioned in the Bible.
The cup bearer was released at Pharaoh's birthday. By that incident Joseph could be freed and next; millions of people included the Israelite were saved from famine. One man was killed, but millions were saved.
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Inactive = D/F in 3 Years
by Simon Morley inis it true that there is a now policy that if you are inactive and not attending meetings that after three years you will be d/f'd?
i have a friend who is very concerned that this is now policy.
can any shed some light?.
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bamse
"They talk with forked tongue then!"
- Does it surprise someone?
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February 2010 Study Watchtower - Millions Now Living 'May' Never Die
by Marni Mai injust noticed that in the february 2010 study edition of the watchtower, they refer to the "millions now living will never die" talk in 1918, but they have changed the title to "millions now living may never die".
only problem, they included the picture of the invitation to the talk, which says 'will'.. ooops.
it's on page 16. enjoy.. .
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bamse
I have earlier mentioned that in the norwegian edition "May/will" is rendered "will" or "shall" with the norwegian word "skal". Now I have read the danish and swedish editions from www.jw.org and discovered the following:
Danish: "vil måske aldrig" which means "will maybe never"
Swedish: "skola aldrig" which means "will never" or "shall never".
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February 2010 Study Watchtower - Millions Now Living 'May' Never Die
by Marni Mai injust noticed that in the february 2010 study edition of the watchtower, they refer to the "millions now living will never die" talk in 1918, but they have changed the title to "millions now living may never die".
only problem, they included the picture of the invitation to the talk, which says 'will'.. ooops.
it's on page 16. enjoy.. .
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bamse
I have downloaded the norwegian pdf of that studyarticel and looked at what the rendering of "may" in the english text. It is the norwegian word "skal" and that word renders the english "will" and "shall". So in this case the norwegian translation is honest to the very original text. Maybe the norwegian translater is an apostateseed?
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Checking out the Watchtower Headquarters Via Google Maps and Streetview
by The Almighty Homer inif your not aware as of yet google maps has a interesting program put into their software now where you can visually see the location.
or address that your searching for.
once you've come to the address that you've searched for, most city locations.
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bamse
Brooklyn The Great?.....
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New (non Witness) here
by juci32 inhello guys!i am just introducing myself here.
i have been visiting this site for about a year but never really posted much but i have really learned and enjoyed the topics on this forum, in fact i think this is the best discussion forum i have yet to come across .. a little about my situation is i am a non religious person married to a devout witness, when i met him 4 yrs ago he was out in the "world", never really mentioned his beliefs as we were enjoying life without it.
the more we dated the more i realized that something wasn't right.
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bamse
Welcome to the forum. I am still in, formerly. Stopped attending meetings one and a half year ago. I have to be very silent or I will be disfellowshipped. For instance; I got the message that if I talk about 1975, I will be disfellowshipped. My children are 'hostages' in the org. I am not able to reach their mind yet. But I still hope.
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Has the Watchtower ever admitted making a mistake?
by moomanchu inwith all their flip flops, errors and changes, do you know of any printed admission of mistakes made ?.
have they ever apologized for wrong doctrine?.
i think it's because of too much pride..
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Has the Watchtower ever admitted making a mistake?
by moomanchu inwith all their flip flops, errors and changes, do you know of any printed admission of mistakes made ?.
have they ever apologized for wrong doctrine?.
i think it's because of too much pride..
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bamse
This is the closest I have found, but the FDS is still not responsible as I read it:
*** w80 3/15pp.17-18 Choosing the Best Way of Life***Hold to Your Choice!
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If we remain faithful, God will not let us make ruinous mistakes. But sometimes he permits us to be in error so that we may see our need to look always to him and his Word. This strengthens our relationship with him and our endurance while waiting. We learn from our mistakes that it is necessary to be more careful in the future. The desire for the new system of things to take complete charge of the earth has always been very strong in Christians down through the centuries. And because of their own short life-span, they doubtless longed for it to come in their particular lifetime. Those who have tried to keep God’s judgment time “close in mind” have, on more than one occasion throughout history, become overly eager for that day’s arrival, in their own minds trying to rush the arrival of the desired events. (2 Pet. 3:12) In the first century, for example, the apostle Paul found it necessary to write to Christians in Thessalonica in this fashion, as we read at 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3: “However, brothers, respecting the presence of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered together to him, we request of you not to be quickly shaken from your reason nor to be excited either through an inspired expression or through a verbal message or through a letter as though from us, to the effect that the day of Jehovah is here. Let no one seduce you in any manner, because it will not come unless the apostasy comes first and the man of lawlessness gets revealed, the son of destruction.”
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In modern times such eagerness, commendable in itself, has led to attempts at setting dates for the desired liberation from the suffering and troubles that are the lot of persons throughout the earth. With the appearance of the book Life Everlasting—in Freedom of the Sons of God, and its comments as to how appropriate it would be for the millennial reign of Christ to parallel the seventh millennium of man’s existence, considerable expectation was aroused regarding the year 1975. There were statements made then, and thereafter, stressing that this was only a possibility. Unfortunately, however, along with such cautionary information, there were other statements published that implied that such realization of hopes by that year was more of a probability than a mere possibility. It is to be regretted that these latter statements apparently overshadowed the cautionary ones and contributed to a buildup of the expectation already initiated.
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In its issue of July 15, 1976, TheWatchtower, commenting on the inadvisability of setting our sights on a certain date, stated: “If anyone has been disappointed through not following this line of thought, he should now concentrate on adjusting his viewpoint, seeing that it was not the word of God that failed or deceived him and brought disappointment, but that his own understanding was based on wrong premises.” In saying “anyone,” TheWatchtower included all disappointed ones of Jehovah’s Witnesses, hence including persons having to do with the publication of the information that contributed to the buildup of hopes centered on that date.
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An introduction
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bamse
Welcome on board, "Paul".
I got the same experience a year and a half ago. Doubts building up throug years, finally I draw the conclusion. I think I did a mistake with telling my children about it. I would have had better possibilities to influence them with playing loyal publisher a wail more. Excuse my english. I am a foreigner. . Because of that I most active on european boards.
By the way; you have to live with your decissions in the future, but your way of seeing things will also change. The most important things is your family's wellfare, I think, and your self-esteem.
Good luck with your lifte further.