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  Do the celestial positions on BM 33478 help to prove Artaxerxes I's 20th year was 455 BCE? (For 'scholar')

  by AnnOMaly in

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  this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.

  background.

  for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.

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  scholar: if you are so trained and knowledgeable, why are you so unable to answer a person who are only fit for domestic duties?

  and please keep to the posting guidelines.
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  Do the celestial positions on BM 33478 help to prove Artaxerxes I's 20th year was 455 BCE? (For 'scholar')

  by AnnOMaly in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is a spin off from this thread: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/182714/4/hubby-is-researching-607.

  background.

  for the past three years, carl jonsson has been critiquing rolf furuli's 'oslo' chronology in an interdisciplinary journal called chronology and catastrophism review.

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  Ann, it's allways a pleasure reading your post, but this in particular is a gem. I really hope Scholar has the guts to try to answer your question in the spirit it is asked, like a real scholar.
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  Ask your JW relatives the RIGHT QUESTIONS!

  by nicolaou in

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  do you remember how you once answered questions like; "do you really believe that god will destroy everyone but jehovah's witnesses"?

  if you were like me you'd have looked your questioner in the eye and, in all honesty, said "no".

  if necessary i'd have gone on to explain that "jehovah offers everyone the opportunity to live forever, our preaching work is an attempt to give all nations .

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  . I am an outsider so i dont have the knowledge that you do about typical answers. I will remember the two examples that you gave. KEEP THEM COMING IF YOU HAVE MORE!
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  Creationist Evolution

  by GapingMouth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been having some small but effective chats with my wife of late.

  she is, i hope, starting to think about some things a bit better now regarding the wts.

  when i told her of the rule about not hugging in the prayer, she thought it so absurd and thought i was telling lies until she saw it herself.

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  I think evolution, the ark, etc. is really explosive stuff, but only if used right. Why? Because it show again and again that the watchtower is interlectually dishonest.

  One thing you can be 100% sure you will never read in the watchtower is this:

  "We believe that jerusalem was destroyed in 607BC. The evidence is very strong. But if you do not trust that date, ask yourself this: What other date did Jerusalem fall? Secular historians, archeology and christendom has no theory about when Jerusalem fell, yet they tell us 607bc is false.".

  Why? Because it is a lie! You can ask any historian and he will say 586/7bc. Sure, they can be wrong - who cares - but if you say they have no theory you are either misinformed, and that would be pretty unlikely since minimal research will give you 587bc, or simply filling people with shit. It opens up all kind of nastyness, like asking why the hell nobody has considered reading a book, any book, on the subject, or spend 20 seconds on google, or you could draw attention to proverbs 18:13 about understanding a subject before replying to it - "why do you believe jehova made sure that was in the bible?"

  YET THEY DO THIS KIND OF SHIT WITH EVOLUTION ALL THE TIME!

  Here is an example - The very first 2 minutes at the very first meeting i attended the guy managed to say TWICE that evolutionists had no theory about how human emotions developed, and had no way to explain why altruistic feelings came about. Notice the wording. That statement is as cathegorical false as the one about 607bc. There is no way to rat out and come up with a rationalization. That leave the with a choise: Is the guy just making up this shit as he goes along, or is he being lied to?

  Another example: Read up on how evolution is defined, either on talkorigins, wikipedia, etc.. Now tell your wife: "Look, i really want to discuss evolution with you, but im really confused by what the watchtower mean with evolution. So im not trying to nail you on a technicality, im just checking we are on the same page here: How would you define evolution?". There are two choices. Most likely, she have no idea except it is wrong. She will likely confuse it with everything from big bang to the theory life arose from an organic soup. MMM-mmm. Proverbs 18:13.

  The other case is that she get it right. EVEN BETTER!. Ask why the watchtower GOT IT WRONG in their book about evolution ("Life? How did it get here", ca. p. 20).
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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

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  2. friends

  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  BLACK SHEEP: Do you have a reference for that thread with Scallop? Im very interested in WT arguments for 607. I cant even find Scallop in the member index.
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  The Silentlambs Exposed Blog Is Closing

  by Bangalore in

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  2. child-abuse

  the silentlambs exposed blog is closing.. .

  http://silentlambsexposed.blogspot.com/2009/10/future-of-this-blog.html.

  bangalore.

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  Finally, I know that the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses does not endorse private websites about the beliefs and practices of Jehovah’s Witnesses. I respect the Governing Body, as I believe that they are the ones to whom Jesus has entrusted the oversight of the Christian congregation. Careful thought has convinced me that, if the Governing Body wished to have a website that exposed the lies of Silentlambs, they could quite easily do so — and it would probably be a lot more professional than mine. But they have not chosen to do so. Now if they have not done so, they must have good reasons. I do not know what their reasons are. But I trust them to make the right decision. And, consequently, if they have not seen fit to have a website of this type, then why should I try to circumvent that arrangement by making my own?

  I wonder if he would accept that logic if applied to another religious organization...
  The entire article screams MIND CONTROL.
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  Musings of a manic mind

  by paul from cleveland in

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  if time is infinite, how can we be alive now?

  wouldnt everything that can happen have happened already?

  given an infinite amount of time, wouldnt the sun have burned out and the universe reached the ultimate state of entropy?

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  bohm

  Well, that the universe show all signs of rapidly developing from one state to a radically different one (the expansion) is they key observation that led to the Big Bang theory. It is also why people believe a finite amount of time has passed, at least with respect to the space-time that makes up our universe.
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  Creationist Evolution

  by GapingMouth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been having some small but effective chats with my wife of late.

  she is, i hope, starting to think about some things a bit better now regarding the wts.

  when i told her of the rule about not hugging in the prayer, she thought it so absurd and thought i was telling lies until she saw it herself.

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  bohm

  Here is another one, this is also a ralatively simple presentation, but about another type of evidence. Notice the prediction he make at the end. You might ask your mom if creatinists able to make ANY predictions about the world they live in?

  http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2006/09/cats_candy_and_evolution.php

  After talking about these tings for a while, I would ask her why the watchtower does not write anything about these lines of evidence, when they print out articles about pizza and other stuff that has nothing to do with God. Is it because they do not care, because they do not know enough, what?

  I once asked a JW why the watchtower didnt try to get some members into university and set up a research department and once and for all show why evolutionists are wrong. I mean, right now they say that evolutionists only get results because they are biased against God, so why not show how unbiased research look like?.
  He said that was because it was to expensive and they had other things to do, like preachin. I said the watchtower had 7 million believers who are willing to throw in free manpower. And they could send their members, the best of the best, to countries where university is free.

  In the end, he said that they didnt do that because nobody would care. gah. i said that I certainly cared, the fact that their litterature about evolution was of so poor quality was very important for me. I asked him why they then cared to debunk hell and the trinity, if people didnt care for evidence anyway. He then went in complete reverse and began to repeat himself. scary shit.
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  Hubby is Researching 607...

  by cognac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  would you say that's the beginning of the end?

  hubby's researching if the beginning date can be proven from the bible its starting date is 607. clearly, he won't find the answer.... here's hoping he will see the light... .

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  bohm

  I would abselutely love to see someone stand up to scholars challenge. Im really sorry i am not knowledgeable enough to pick up the gauntlet :-).
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  Creationist Evolution

  by GapingMouth in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i've been having some small but effective chats with my wife of late.

  she is, i hope, starting to think about some things a bit better now regarding the wts.

  when i told her of the rule about not hugging in the prayer, she thought it so absurd and thought i was telling lies until she saw it herself.

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  GAPINGMOUTH: Ofcourse what your wife say is true and it does not present a problem for creation that the DNA look more similar the more similar the animals are. The problem is the /way/ it look similar.
  The DNA evidence for evolution is extremely solid and, in my oppinion, the strongest evidence for evolution by far. I also believe the watchtower is afraid to discuss it, and depends on its members to be in a continiuous state of misinformation otherwise they would be in deep troubles. I have read no books or articles by them that even touch it.
  So what is it? I would recommend you to begin here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/. Check out the sections on molecular evidence.

  To actually answer your question. The problem when you discuss DNA evidence is that you need to educate your wife so she is able to understand the evidence. This sound like a big process, but most people have a pretty good intuiative understanding of what DNA is and in my experience you dont need more than a couple of minutes. I have had good success with this argument, and i simply structured my presentation the same way as his. you can find it here as a video: http://www.5min.com/Video/How-Chimp-Chromosome-13-Proves-Evolution-11049.

  There is a lot of these small presentations floating around on various blogs. If you are more interested, I would suggest you wrote a local university and explained who you were and ask them for references. These kind of things are discovered all the time because ALL the DNA of ALL species HAS to show evidence of common descent OTHERWISE EVOLUTION WOULD BE WRONG.