i have been out now for 6 years but lately i have been giving some thought to da.
i just kind of feel that chapter in my life is still open and for some reason i feel like da'ing might close that chapter but i'm not entirely sure.
im not df either, when i left i basically faded and disappeared.
Blues Brother makes perhaps the most important point. Any family/old contacts that you don't care whether they shun you or not?
If you do decide to DA then why not email/write to anyone you know about the dangers of being a JW? (Child Abuse/money grabbing/false dates etc.)
of course, conducting a "bible" study (actually a wts publication study) with an inactive person who comes back is nothing new.
i did so on occasion when i was in, or the boe would assign someone else to do so, especially if it was a sister.. however, i recently heard of this: during the course of the study the elders would go through a loyalty check of the person wanted to rejoin up by going through the baptismal questions again, just like they were a complete newbie.
has anyone else heard of this?
@careful
darkspilver has it spot on.
Yes you offer a BS to inactives (under the service committee's direction) but if it's been more than about six months inactive they get the loyalty test usually dressed up as loving concern and usually based on what an unbaptised publisher gets asked (not the full baptism Q's).
However if Dave the drifter tells his study conductor he's done anything "serious" (ranging from smoking/bashing the bishop to porn etc. through celebrating Xmas/Hallowe'en and/or rogering half the University College cheerleading team all the way up to disbelieving 1914 was the start of the Gentile times or saying Stephen Lett acts and looks like a rubber faced clown) then he get's dealt with judicially and if "unrepentant" can find himself out on his ear with an unwanted DF around his neck.
sorry, this may have been covered ad nauseam before, but since it is blatant double speak of the watchtower, i felt it would be good to write a reminder of that.
below is an extract where the watchtower makes an effort to point out to the royal commission that among their members there are professionals with higher education, such as doctors and lawyers.
what they conveniently fail to mention is that the wt leadership repeatedly in writing and in approved public speeches discourages, even denigrate the pursuit of higher education.
@the almighty fanny.
Seems you're not getting any. Boo Hoo.
Your name describes yourself well.
guys, you gotta check this out.
she explains the whole religion in a very funny way.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b07x6mf3#play.
Saename - Radio 4 (the BBC's flagship nationwide program) in the late morning will be routinely listened to by hundreds of thousands, maybe even a seven figure audience. (Some of their shows have reached ten million listeners) I believe if there are 1 in 400 witnesses in UK then that equals 2500 jw's would have at least started listening to the program.
Radio 4 is the most "respectable" radio channel in the UK and is held in high esteem by many and is probably viewed as the "safest" radio program by JW's in general - equivalent to BBC 1 on the TV.
How many would have continued listening I don't know but if a similar number of bible studies and "interested ones" tuned in - then all well and good.
well what rule of thumb do you think these financial dim-wits dream up?
i think those not sending in their money to the org are some of the first properties to unload while you spare the higher payers for last.
you don't want to piss off the loyal contributers by making them miss meetings,, that's a no win situation so dump the free loaders as a negative asset and keep the more profitable ones.. and those who's loans the wt forgave, watch what happens if you're not send in those regular payments like before, and slack off by a significant amount.
@Jeff T
Then add the impetus of when an organisation needs cashflow urgently ...
And if at least half of those that are moved to another hall continue some contribution to the new hall then the financial projection being better if you sell the hall is a no brainer.
http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/case-study/636f01a5-50db-4b59-a35e-a24ae07fb0ad/case-study-29,-july-2015,-sydney.aspx.
the wt input is there toward the bottom of the page.
Hi zeb, that's been there quite a while now. It makes for interesting reading and just shows how the WT "still doesn't get it".
Compare it with the Senior Salvation Army officer's response video where he apologises unreservedly and promises change. (posted elsewhere on this forum, recently)
Anyone know when the "finding" will be released? It will not be pretty for the Watchtower I'm sure.
well what rule of thumb do you think these financial dim-wits dream up?
i think those not sending in their money to the org are some of the first properties to unload while you spare the higher payers for last.
you don't want to piss off the loyal contributers by making them miss meetings,, that's a no win situation so dump the free loaders as a negative asset and keep the more profitable ones.. and those who's loans the wt forgave, watch what happens if you're not send in those regular payments like before, and slack off by a significant amount.
In descending order -
1. Which hall will make the most £/$ on the sale.
2. Which hall is a "money pit" as in falling apart.
3. Which Cong(s) have too much in their bank accounts which we can raid.
4. Which Cong(s) donate very little.
5. Which Cong(s) are struggling. (low elders, troublemakers, low numbers, older aging members)
6. Fairly easy for remaining dubs to go to a "nearby" hall
popping in to say hi.... been away from the forum for a long time.... had some serious health issues starting at the beginning of this year.
on the mend now, and getting back into the swing of things.... great to be alive!.
Good news! Welcome back.
and it felt wonderful!!.
i went into the city to where i knew there was a "cosmopolitan witnessing" trolley, because i wanted to ask a simple bible-based question.
the trolley was attended by an elder and a sister who was another elder's wife.
Keep up the good work Searcher. Don't ignore the cart dummies. Stuff like this will lodge in at least some of their minds.
Can you point us in the direction of specific JW literature that says some will be practicing vile things in the 1,000 year reign? I can then plant it here and there in the minds of "deserving ones".
BTW - it's "Metropolitan" not "Cosmopolitan". As in "Are you qualified to do the Metropolitan Cart Dummy Work, brother?"
it's not as if the sheep was trying to seduce the shepherd, the poor creature was violated.
we have come a long way from those days, thank goodness.
so why slay the sheep or beast?????
More importantly, were there two witnesses? If the animal did not confess then surely we must leave the matter in Jehovah's loving hands.
