Posts by freddo

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Refusing to Report time in field ministry

by Whynot in

what do you think would happen if i verbally refuse to report my time?

it's been several months since i turned in my time and i think the elder got tired of asking me lol.

frankly, i think it's stupid that jws are required to do this.

freddo

If you have not turned in your time for several months then you're so close to home you can hear your old dog snoring on the front porch.

As the Fall Guy says - if it ain't broke then don't fix it.

If and only if you are asked again then just say politely and firmly say "I have no report."

This may shut up the person asking or they may ask for details of why not etc. Just say "Well I appreciate your concern but like I said - I have no report."

If they ask if you are going to report again just say "I haven't thought that far ahead but for the time being I have no report."

If they ask a fourth time I believe you are perfectly entitled to say "I don't believe you are respecting my boundaries and I will not continue to discuss this point with you."

End with "Thanks, bye! Gotta go now." And walk away or put the phone down.

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Armageddon started...

by mikeflood in

just joking i really don't think so...but the situation in syria is pretty worrisome...just hearing the news that france and great britain are attacking with cruise missiles in 72 hours.

i mean assad is not gonna gasify his adversaries when he almost won the civil war.

trump too suspended a very important trip to the latinoamerican presidents summit in peru, just to 'oversee the american response to syria.

US Navy is unbeatable - it has about twenty times what any other Navy has in carriers alone. If one of them were sunk by a Russian submarine that got through the defences - unlikely - look what they'd have in reserve.

I mean - 10 - yes that's 10 Nimitz class carriers at over 100,000 tons each and another 9 of other types of carrier.

All the following carriers do not exceed 70,000 tons ...

What has Russia got?

1 carrier that has gone back for a refit after a history of breakdowns and arrestor-wire problems.

China

1 - maybe ready soon.

France

1 Carrier

UK

1 built - waiting for planes - and 1 on the way.

The rest of the world?

All relatively small old Cold war era built stuff or even WW2 hand me downs!

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2018-04-11-E-BOE--Speaker's Monitor!

by Atlantis in

2018-04-11-e-boespeaker's monitorhttps://we.tl/em7bxi5o4oatlantis!.

freddo

Even the monitors get monitored by the monitors in JWborgland!

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New data movement this is what I see as their goals .

by Crazyguy in

after listening to the leaked videos this is what i think it’s all about.

first i don’t believe they will want to much personal information ie bank accounts etc do to potential legal problems down the road.

what i think is their goal is once all publishers are in the data base they then have no need for written information about any issue concerning a publisher and how issues are handled by elders and the branch etc... this information now is in their own data base and can be deleted or manipulated by them at any time.

freddo

I think Dreary has it right.

I think of my mother-in-law - a witness for 45 years who never officially did more than be a aux pioneer. Loads of solid sisters (in the very active jw sense in meetings ministry and cash/cheque donations) like her would have been on nothing except the local record cards.

Mind you at the other end of the scale from the CO's, bethelites etc we would have 35,000 plus (in the USA) pedo individuals with accusations/confessions/on file wouldn't we? Plus all the DF'd, DA'd, reinstated.

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Publisher ID: leaked video clip 2 of 4

by Fay Dehr in

"if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever.” ― george orwell, 1984 this video is leaked in interest of human dignity; you deserve to know who is keeping personal data and how they plan to expand their nets.

open to your comments... https://youtu.be/xz1arhu0fg0

[videos 1 to 4 leaked as own posts, with specific comments for each video].

freddo

Err… Morpheus

You said the S-77 would have no confidential info. Well – let’s begin with JUST question 1.

Disfellowshipping

[ ] Specify offence(s) for which disfellowshipped

Did they confess?

If no, what evidence …

Disassociation

[ ] Specify by what actions the individual disassociated himself.

Now let’s go down to the first of the ADDITIONAL INSTRUCTIONS …

… … if anything of significance needs to be shared with the branch office do so in a separate letter.

The individual would see nothing of how this form is completed by the judicial committee.

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Memorial Attendance ???

by Phizzy in

hi all, anybody any anecdotal or actual idea of how attendance numbers went this year ?.

there are hints that it is well down, but is it ?

and if it is, will the borg stop crowing about the attendance as they always have ?.

freddo

I wonder if in the west it's partly due to the oldies dying off. We can only have our lives extended so far by modern medicine and good living conditions and the vulnerable housewives and the stalwart husbands who came in during the 1950's and 1960's as young (under 40) adults are hitting their 80's and 90's now.

I know that in the three halls sharing in my neck of the woods that about nine oldies have died from last memorial to this one.

And I reckon there are at least another 50 or so in their mid-late 70's upwards in the three congos. No one coming in either - birth rate virtually non existent!

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What are the chances of getting another Raymond Franz default from head office ?

by Chook in

all regimes get defectors and some are more vocal than others..

freddo

Well Rudolf Hess left Hitler when the Nazis were at the top of their game in May 1941, so I suppose anything is possible.

Doubt it though.

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Selling off their London Properties.

by Lost in the fog in

having sold off their brooklyn properties for $$$$ the watchtower society is doing the same thing with their properties in london, england.

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http://ibsaproperty.com .

freddo

4 bedroom houses that would sell for £300,000/£600,000 in other parts of the UK going for £1,000,000 and northwards.

And that doesn't include all the apartment blocks, conference centres, office blocks.

This will surely cover the cost of Chelmsford and then some!

BUT STILL GOD NEEDS YOUR KINGDOM HALL AND YOUR MONEY!

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Memorial Attendance ???

by Phizzy in

hi all, anybody any anecdotal or actual idea of how attendance numbers went this year ?.

there are hints that it is well down, but is it ?

and if it is, will the borg stop crowing about the attendance as they always have ?.

freddo

Well anecdotally I can give you four results from the UK.

My hall:

Cong 1 - This year 74, last year 101

Cong 2 - This year 98, last year 102

Cong 3 - This year 111, last year 121 (used a rented hall)

Another hall that an attendee told me about:

This year 117 last year 124.

So every hall was down and Cong 1 from my hall was a real outlier with a significant drop and no increase (in the other congs using the same hall) to compensate!

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Jehovah's Witnesses View of Jesus Compared to the Early Church

by cofty in

the following is an extract from something i wrote 16 years ago soon after leaving the watchtower.

i am posting it because it may help honest jws consider how far their beliefs are at odds with new testament christians.

if they have "the truth" then their attitude to jesus ought to reflect that of the apostles.

freddo

Bumped this thread! Because it's brilliant.

Thanks to Cofty.