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  Did you have "Your chair" or place you sat at the K.H??

  by karter in

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  i never really did but lots of the "friends" did like one brother who felt the cold and had "his chair" by the window and was always closing the window when everyone else wanted it open.. karter..

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  freddo

  This is true.

  In the 1980's in our hall we had a new ventilation system put in. It was just as crap as the old one but I digress.

  The old system had a dial thermostat on the wall which was disconnected but left in place until the next wallpaper hanging.

  An elder got on stage and said "if anyone feels it is too hot or too cold then speak to one of the attendants and he will help".

  I was an attendant and we were told that if anyone wanted the heating changed up or down we should go to the thermostat and move it in the appropriate direction.

  Of course nothing happened because it was disconnected! But the person believed something was being done! This lasted for about a year until the hall was remodelled and the redundant but visable thermostat was removed.

  Placebo at its finest!
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  Beard's Coming to the Borg!

  by DwainBowman in

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  wt sept study edition, page 17, paragraph 17!

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  freddo

  Please please read this: (it is on the WT CD-ROM) trousers not beards ...

  8. If slacks or pantsuits for women are frowned upon by many in the community, likely some different style of apparel for public dress would be advisable for a Christian sister. During cold weather ...( blah blah ). But in frigid climates, where everyone in the community wears clothing appropriate to the weather, such as slacks, surely it is proper for Christian women to do the same. In some places, pioneers have been aided thus to maintain robust health for putting in long hours in service. (blah blah)... The elders should not seek to impose their own preferences on others but likely are in position to offer advice on what might be acceptable in their respective communities...

  Q p.8 How can a sister tell whether it would be appropriate for her to wear pantsuits or slacks in her community?

  WT 15th August 1975, page 500 para. 8

  So here we are, 41 years later in loony dubland with internal social pressure stopping sisters wearing trousers anywhere outside of the North Pole!

  And what will elders do over the next few months? Spend hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours and hours debating whether to apply anything new in regard to beards while more of us slip away from their grip. Hooray!!!

  Rant over.

  (italics and bold mine)
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  Need a Caleb&Sophia-doll?

  by crazy_flickering_light in

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  it`s so crazy:.

  http://4ourkids-shop.com/epages/79abeb7d-1743-402a-b693-f12374c6191f.sf/en_us/?viewobjectpath=%2fshops%2f79abeb7d-1743-402a-b693-f12374c6191f%2fcategories%2fshop.

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  freddo

  Toy Story 4

  Door closes and Sophia and Caleb come to life.

  Sophia: "Oh no! We're gonna get dragged off to another boring meeting."

  Caleb: "Let's jump out of the window into the yard and the bully next door can find us and destroy us!"

  Sophia: "Yep! Gotta be better than a lifetime of meetings and ministry."

  They hold hands and leap to their doom.

  Maybe that's just a bit too dark for a young audience!
  
  
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  One of the Most Obscene Phrases in Any Language; the Judicial Committee

  by TMS in

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  a tribunal of religious, if not spiritual, men, whose decision can alter lives, disrupt, no, destroy, families, ruin young lives, create angst, pain, depression, hopelessness, sorrow, despair can be the job for three typically unqualified men known in jw land as the judicial committee.. my first judicial experience as a kid of 18 serving on the jc involved disfellowshipping an elderly sister for apostacy when she would not promise to quit frequenting a neighborhood christian science reading room for personal study.

  my second big case involved a baptized 12 year old who allegedly stole a hot wheel from k-mart.

  he admitted to nothing, answering every question with "i dunno" and was put on probation, the 60's equivalent of reproof.. in subsequent years, i "served" on committees judging accused adulterers, fornicators, thieves, gamblers, non-providers, taking up boxing, slanderers and yes, apostates, sitting also on so-called appeal committees as well.

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  freddo

  I can fully vouch for TMS's description of the "arrangement" prior to 1971.

  In a congregation the only "elder" (presbyter) was the Congregation Servant. The Assistant Congregation Servant was termed an "assistant ministerial servant" (diakanos) - as was the Bible Study Servant. These were the service committee.

  Also the Watchtower Overseer and School Overseer were "assistant ministerial servants" but unless there was illness or someone being away for a long time or it was a close relative being dealt with then the three brothers described by TMS always did every judicial committee.

  You need a hard copy of Qualified to be Ministers (1967 was the last copy I think) to check I have this right.

  I was just a kid but even in our hall at the time where we had several baptised men our Bible Study Servant (forerunner of service overseer) in 1970 was a keen pioneer of only about 20 and so would have been on the judicial committee.
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  Disfellowshipping Question

  by Elizabeth Thompson in

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  i have been a baptized witness for about 30 years.

  from the time i was a kid.

  i've been the only one in my family who is baptized until 15 years later when my mother got baptized.

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  freddo

  Time is on your side Elizabeth. Take your time and think things through over many months.

  Resist the urge to tell/confess. That urge is your decency and honesty being twisted by the self serving interests of the Watchtower self appointed mediators.
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  WTBTS: Do Not Mark Donations For Relief Efforts - Mark World Wide Work

  by Honesty in

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  2. scandals

  i have just talked with the wtbts service department at 718-560-5000.. you can contribute for hurricane katrina relief efforts through your local kingdom hall and put your donation in the contribution box marked for the world wide work.

  you may also send donations directly to the branch office... to the brooklyn address.

  donations should be marked for the world wide work and not specificically reserved for relief efforts.

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  freddo

  And $4,000 a day is being paid to a U.S. court to ensure unredacted documents about who was involved in a pedophile case don't get shown ...
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  Elder who taught at private school for JWs accused of abuse

  by Robo Bobo in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  http://www.presstelegram.com/article/lb/20160630/news/160639983.

  note: southwestern longview was a private school that catered to witness children.

  buena park – a south carolina man who worked as a teacher at a private school in long beach a decade ago has been arrested by buena park police officers on suspicion of the “continuous sexual abuse of a child” who was a student of his, authorities said today.. jason gorski of fort mill, 43, was arrested on june 21, said buena park police sgt.

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  freddo

  Quite right K99!

  And spot on Mr. Flipper - that sort of concise and accurate explanation is what keeps me in my resolve to eventually not "just go along for family" and to fade.
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  Calling All Who Were JWs Between 1967 and 1980

  by -Crossroads- in

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  hello jwn,.

  to introduce myself, i am still in the jws but learned ttatt some months ago.

  i now ask this question to get more info on a past teaching.. between 1967 and 1980 was when the 'current understanding' of the wts was that organ transplants were cannibalism, and thus abhorrent.

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  freddo

  @crossroads

  Good 'ere innit?

  
  
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  Calling All Who Were JWs Between 1967 and 1980

  by -Crossroads- in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello jwn,.

  to introduce myself, i am still in the jws but learned ttatt some months ago.

  i now ask this question to get more info on a past teaching.. between 1967 and 1980 was when the 'current understanding' of the wts was that organ transplants were cannibalism, and thus abhorrent.

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  freddo

  I was going to meetings as a kid during the 60's and baptised in the 70's - UK.

  In 1967 there was the world's first heart transplant (Christiaan Barnard South Africa) which brought into focus the witness view. But of course kidney transplants were becoming more common too.

  As mentioned above it was generally viewed as cannibalism and linked to blood transfusion (as in back then you would "obviously" need a blood transfusion if you had a major organ transplant) and QFR in 1967 was weighted heavily against it as were small references between then and the QFR of 1980. I cannot say if it would have been a DF offence as I was a baptised teen with no appointment in 1980. (I always thought it was but can find nothing in the WT CD library.)

  But my understanding was that it was definitely "wrong" because the articles were disapproving but I can go no further than that in what if any the sanctions might have been.

  The way it was "fed" to me by elders at the time was that it was a "no-no".
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  Breaking news: Subcontracted logistics in US and Canada, more layoffs coming...

  by sp74bb in

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  2. friends

  more changes in us and canada operations.. new "arrangements" in jw.org to get more benefits and less costs.

  logistics in canada and the united states will be managed by a new arrangement.. confidential: a famous supermarket and logistics company will take care of sending literature, keep an eye not getting your wt supplies together with a butter cream pot.. read well: wal **** logistics .... more layoffs.... headquarters in canada of this famous company only at 37 km away from watchtower canada..

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  freddo

  @orphan crow

  How long before each cart will have its own built in printer and supply of paper? (funded by the congregation or circuit of course )