Posts by awildflower

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A cool little youtube video to watch...

by Tuesday in

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i'm pretty sure this is based on one of my older theories regarding satan being the true god and jehovah being the devil and writing the bible from his perspective in order to stop people from worshipping the true god satan.

this is one of my smaller points in that theory, but this video is short, sweet and i think pretty fantastic.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4xfznro348.

awildflower

For anyone interested in the subject of the Trees and Knowledge you have got to get the book The Voice of Knowledge by Don Miguel Ruiz. I'm am just now reading it and it fits beautifully with this subject. I typed the first chapter for a friend, I's it ok to post it here or are there some rules about that? You guys will hear a totally different explanation of that 'Knowledge'. Is the guy that did the video on these boards? I would love to recommend this book to him.........wf

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Did You Ever "Grieve" God's Holy Spirit?

by minimus in

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anytime the congregation's numbers were down or there were numerous problems in the hall, the elders would question whether anyone might've grieved the holy spirit.

did you ever??

?.

awildflower

Now I know that this org has NO holy spirit. What was being 'grieved' at times, was someone's ego........wf

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Hello all =)

by JudgeRutherfords in

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awildflower

Yes we'd like the long version! Welcome........Wow you DA'd young. My son who never got baptized was kind of dating this JW girl who was 21 when he was 17. All they did was talk on the phone for two years and formed a pretty tight emotional connection. Her parents refused to even meet my son because he was not baptized! Even though at the time my family were active JW's. Anyways that relationship is way over. My son decided he didn't want to be a JW for many reasons and he had refused to get baptized for the sake of her or her parents and they tried to push him to do it. I'm so glad he didn't!..........wf

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Very confused-help please

by hatchetsup in

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just found this board late last night and can't stop reading, it's fascinating.. let me give you a quick background of myself.

i was born a jw, never baptized, was labeled bad association when i was 12 due to having all worldy friends and smoking, lol.

i was very confused how being that young i could be labelled as that but i was.

awildflower

Yes welcome to the board! IMO, it sounds like you have a level of fear and confusion going on and this is exactly NOT the time to have a Bible Study with JW's. You are exactly the type of person they go door-to-door looking for, the type of person in your frame of mind and you would be easily indoctrinated, it's all part of the mind control process. You should read some things that bring you to a place of a nuetral perspective on JW's and religion in general. Ray Fraz's books are a must read, and as mentioned maybe something on how mind control works like the book by Steve Hassan that's been mentioned. And a word of caution to your frame of mind even visiting here on this site, don't look for a set of 'beliefs', just take what works for you and leave the rest. I really think it would be a huge mistake for you to study with them now. If you get to a nice, nuetral place and then want to invite them in, I assure you you would hear an entirely different message, one that would not resenate with you anymore. But this board is a great place for you to start your journey...........wf

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What Has Hurt You Most About Being A Witness?

by minimus in

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for me, it's not having a "normal" childhood.

being raised a jw will make you miss out on ordainary kid things.

you can't have any friends except witnesses---and only jws that measure up.

awildflower

The thing that broke my heart and started my fade was the treatment of my son. He has, in their words, an 'unbelieving father' and yet he was so easy to raise in this org, so obedient and kind and loving. I always say 'he's a lover not a fighter'. Was pretty much always a homeshcooler so the brothers caught on real quick no matter where we were living, that he was the kid you could call to do anything they needed and my son absolutely would do anything. Mow, clean, babysit, etc..... But I was always confused as to how I would hear from the platform that brothers should take a personal interest in these young men who don't have fathers in the org and teach them and so forth. Well nobody ever would. I practically begged brothers to take a personal interest in my son because I knew his potential, and nothing. Well when we moved here, (been here five years now), he was 14. Finally someone in the hall let him start handling microphones and he just bloomed. He felt so good and used and took pride in what he was doing and did it well. I thought, ok maybe finally now........Well the CO came through, a heartless, cold brother, and because my son wasn't baptized he took that assignment away from him. I thought, this kid could be doing a thousand things worse than microphones in this world and they were taking it away? I was so sad for him because I had to explain that they were right, it's in print, that you have to baptized, etc........It broke his heart, shattered his self-esteem and made him feel like he couldn't do anything right. Then I asked a young brother, ex-bethelite, who had recently become an elder to work with my son. He said he didn't have time, but it was funny how he got handed a 'real' bible-study, a man met in the ministry and he jumped all over that. We became disallusioned and sad. So what hurts me the most? The love that is constantly preached up there, is not real!!! I don't care how much they try to make it look real, it's a lie. And I truly mean that. My son gets more encouragement about being a man from work then he ever did in this org! Sorry this went so long, but it gets me riled. It's not the teachings that kill me, it's the lack of love and the lack of just basic psycology that kills me. Why couldn't that CO have said, "oh look at this nice young man, he handles his assignments well, and it must be difficult not having a father who's in, lets do all we can to encourage him and make him feel good......" Didn't happen. I will never, ever go back to that.........wf

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Dallas Apostates: Have you been here?

by YoursChelbie in

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i was looking for good seafood places in the dallas area and saw this one: .

http://www.rockfishseafood.com/v2-09-08-regular-menu.pdf .

are they any good?.

awildflower

Can someone tell me more about this Dallas meet up 'apostate' group? I live near dallas....wf

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Teaching lies.

by Anti-Christ in

when a person no longer cares about the past, they will accept the present without question.

the witnesses we talked with are always interchanging the gb/faithful and discreet slave for example, even if you point out the origins of each.

doesn't matter.

awildflower

That was good carla!

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I just heard of more organizational changes...........

by awildflower in

so a good friend of mine e-maild me today with this information.

aparently brother hurd says as of 2010 all the magazine printing and distribution will be moved to canada.

the only printing the us will do is the books.

awildflower

I was thinking along similar lines daniel-p. My thought was why 8 years or so ago would 'Jehovah' move them to put all this money into the new printery building and these masive printers only to move it now? Where is the Holy Spirit in all of this? Just another example of it being a man-made org and not a divine one IMO.....wf

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