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  stupid hypocritical thinking

  by wantarevolution in

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  so with the watchtower on sunday, and the no3 talk last night - it got me thinking.

  both the watchtower and by default the talk last night spoke about how "christians" view life on earth as transitory, and waiting for their reward in heaven.

  the tone was "how stupid are they".

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  wantarevolution

  So with the watchtower on Sunday, and the nº3 talk last night - it got me thinking.

  Both the watchtower and by default the talk last night spoke about how "christians" view life on earth as transitory, and waiting for their reward in heaven. The tone was "how stupid are they".

  Then it hit me - aren't witnesses doing the exact same thing? Life in this system is transitory, we aren't to get too attached to things, but put off education/family/fun things until the "real life" in the paradise comes, then we can do whatever we want. For instance at the district assembly this year, a girl whom i've known since i was a child gets up on the platform with her "experiece". She went to art school, lived away from home and went a bit "wild" - moved here and started to regular pioneer - now she doesn't even paint or do photography, as it would distract her from her pioneering. She can paint all she wants in the new system.

  How depressing! The feeling that you have to put EVERYTHING off, until the new system comes.

  Glad i'm on the way out - and taking of advantage of the life I have now.
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  Please Describe Your Autumn

  by compound complex in

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  welcome fall!.

  please describe autumn in your community.

  its feel.

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  here where I am, we don't really have a fall. Right up until last week it was 22ºc in the day and 15ºc at night (still beach weather :D)

  now it is gone to 14ºc in the day and 5ºc at night but glorious blue skies and lower humidity (finally) - much better than freezing fog and rain that I used to have.
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  What Things Were YOU Counseled For?

  by minimus in

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  elders love to counsel people.

  it feeds their ego.

  over the years, you must've been counseled on different things.. when i was almost of age to become a ms, an elder counseled me for my "lack of seriousness".

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  1. I should never defend going to college, as it was "defending the indefensable"

  The gobshite that said this to me was wanting to move up the chain in the body of elders - cocky piece of work , was doing the nasty with the woman his wife worked for.

  The wife initially kicked him out, the guy lost his "position" but was repentent. He went through a real depression, came out the other side a hell of a lot more humble and despite his infidelity, likable guy (who's wife forgave him and they are happier than I have ever known them - you can tell the way they are when they think no one is watching). I heard the other week when i back in my home city that he just started........AT COLLEGE. :D

  2. I've mentioned it before on here, but i was counselled against using too many worldly quotes in my talks - if i must quote, i should find quotes from faithful people through the WT and awake. To date I have used Mother Theresa, Ghandi, woody allen, Martin Luther, JFK and Frasier crane :D

  As the PO's son, when I was growing up i was able to avoid most "counsel"
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  JWs--A Religion No One Really Cares About

  by minimus in

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  it's funny that when you seperate yourself from the cult, you see very few people care about the witnesses.

  as jws we were always told how the governments were going to turn on religion and then try to obliterate us and how jehovah would step in, in the nick of time, and save all of his people.

  how delusional!.

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  Even when I was "mentally" in , i always hated it at assemblies when the speaker would "challenge the governments" etc. Also resolutions were passed (unanimously of course) as if there were reporters scribbling everything down in shorthand and then phoning their papers to "stop press, the JW's have just said something")

  The icing on the cake is the backslap-a-thon of the AGM - things are said that matter to about 6 million people, and even then most don't hear what actually is said, just what they want to hear.

  I work for a company where the press releases go out - and every major newspaper around the world has it on the their sites within hours.Not that it has any more relevance to the every man than the WT, but at least it has global reach :D
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  News from Bethel Heavy

  by cinnamon1642 in

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  pioneer hour change is legit.

  letters are being mailed out soon to all congregations for announcement in early october right before the tract campaign starts.. .

  elimination of circuit overseers.

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  The only notes I got were a quick email from someone that was there who said they would elaborate later.

  New songs were sung and there was some light about the Generation, aside from that - i have nothing else at the moment
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  The Dublin "apostasy" after Ray Franz incident - searching for the audio testimony of John May

  by Nostromo in

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  google is not my friend anymore, it seems, i cant find a thing.. i was searching for the audio file where john may, the elder from dublin, tells his story when he traveled to brooklyn to find out the truth about the ray franz incident.

  i do not mean the talk of his that you can find on 4jehovah.org or 4witness.org, this was a different audio testimony where he just basically tells what happened to him and to his irish elder friend merriman when they wanted to discuss the rf issue with the gb.

  i had this file once but cant find it anymore.

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  ooops

  Sorry - was away for the weekend. Have just replied
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  JW's Value Position & Appearances over Displaying God's Qualities

  by flipper in

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  before some of the long time members here say to me " tell us something we don't know flipper " - please hear me out on this one.

  some of the newly exiting jw's may not know this info - but need to be made aware of it.. as a young man i was raised in the cult jehovah's witnesses and remained from birth until age 44 .

  i was never, ever asked by my elder father in all those years the question, " son, how is your relationship with jehovah doing ?

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  I was appointed an MS at 20, and turned it down - purely to make a point. By then I was a year into College and was starting to see through things, though i still played the game.

  I was blunt with the elders, and said that I was having a hard time with certain things, and would feel hypocritical if I was on the platform teaching something i wasn't so sure about. The elder's reaction? " You know you have 1 shot at this, if you turn it down, it will follow you - suck what ever you're feeling up, and eventually it will all make sense to you".

  He was right about one thing, it did follow me - when I moved here, I got a shepherding visit after they recieved my letter - asking me what my "spiritual problems" were - by then I was actually "doing OK" and was enjoying being a pleb - however they said if i didn't want a position, i must be "unspiritual and unloving towards my brothers". It even got the point when my wife and I were getting married that an elder pulled her aside and said "you know he refused an appointment.." I knew right then, i was never going to play the game again.
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  The Dublin "apostasy" after Ray Franz incident - searching for the audio testimony of John May

  by Nostromo in

  1. jw
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  google is not my friend anymore, it seems, i cant find a thing.. i was searching for the audio file where john may, the elder from dublin, tells his story when he traveled to brooklyn to find out the truth about the ray franz incident.

  i do not mean the talk of his that you can find on 4jehovah.org or 4witness.org, this was a different audio testimony where he just basically tells what happened to him and to his irish elder friend merriman when they wanted to discuss the rf issue with the gb.

  i had this file once but cant find it anymore.

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  wantarevolution

  I really don't know about Merriman, though when I listening to the tape I knew a lot of the names (Some a little too well)

  The ones he said where great, still are. The ones (With 1 exception!) that he stated were jack asses, still are.
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  The Dublin "apostasy" after Ray Franz incident - searching for the audio testimony of John May

  by Nostromo in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  google is not my friend anymore, it seems, i cant find a thing.. i was searching for the audio file where john may, the elder from dublin, tells his story when he traveled to brooklyn to find out the truth about the ray franz incident.

  i do not mean the talk of his that you can find on 4jehovah.org or 4witness.org, this was a different audio testimony where he just basically tells what happened to him and to his irish elder friend merriman when they wanted to discuss the rf issue with the gb.

  i had this file once but cant find it anymore.

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  wantarevolution

  he is not re-instated.

  He mellowed a bit towards the witnesses, but the last time i was back in ireland - he was at it again.

  His brother and his family are, to the best of my knowlege still in (my family are in the same circuit)
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  Compare Bethel with the LDS HQ in Salt Lake City

  by POs Son in

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  i have been to both, bethel (all 3 complexes: brooklyn, walkill, paterson plus the jersey city stanley theater) as a teenager, and to tour the lds (mormon) complex in salt lake city as an adult.

  i did bethel as a "witness" child, and slc as a totally non-jw adult.

  the lds complex seemed more open to the public, inviting and comfortable.

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  wantarevolution

  I remember back in my old city, on a bank holiday there was this "open day" of all the places that were usually closed to the public - old buildings that had turned to offices , masonic lodge etc) an interesting one was mormon meeting place - i went in there, and it was freaky how much like a hall it was , down to the over eager kids in suits giving me tracts about how great life as a mormon is.

  Then I went to the synagogue and chatted to the rabbi who was equally happy to chat about the rugby as his was about religion (Which we did a lot of)