the visiting co pointed out in his talk that "people who love to practice evil will be destroyed [very strong vocal emphasis on this word] !
" many of you insist he is referring to those whose only "sin" is not being a baptized jehovah's witness and their children.
after my experiences on the internet from ajwr to h2o to this forum, however, i'm beginning to appreciate that all is not "black" and "white" but many shades of gray, many hues of stunning colors, and a mixture.. why not use the words killed or executed to describe the fate of these evil people, i asked the co afterwards?
Hi DannyBear...
Thanks for the response...
I remember well the strong stirring rantings of some self possessed elders and COs.... stirring alright... stirring stupidity... I'm so glad I've grown past that... I've got my spiderman underwear in storage... hahahahha... just to remind me what an idiot I was....
Inq ;)
when you were getting fed up with meetings before you gave up, was there anything you did to deliberately get on the brothers nerves?.
i turned up to a meeting once with jeans on, and a red top with cccp on it with the 'hammer and sickle'.
i also went to another bs group a few times so that if i wasnt at one group they'd think i was at the other and vice versa.
hahhaahahahaha.... love these... what a hoot....
I've got a good one.... do a national television interview and don't let them know in advance...wow!... now that really pisses them off!!!!!!
*chuckle and snort*
Inq
the visiting co pointed out in his talk that "people who love to practice evil will be destroyed [very strong vocal emphasis on this word] !
" many of you insist he is referring to those whose only "sin" is not being a baptized jehovah's witness and their children.
after my experiences on the internet from ajwr to h2o to this forum, however, i'm beginning to appreciate that all is not "black" and "white" but many shades of gray, many hues of stunning colors, and a mixture.. why not use the words killed or executed to describe the fate of these evil people, i asked the co afterwards?
Rick.... You said.... "The CO, knowing I have a computer, said that if I venture "out there" into discussion areas, I might recognize these kind of people on the Internet in their posts"
Not only did this CO give you permission to do what the Borg doesn't want any R&F witness to do, but he also showed that he does it too. So much for "mother's" good advice eh? Tch, tch... hypocrisy goes unnoticed by the unwary yet again.... what a surprise....(sarcasm intended)
I remember that arrogance-rich minefield of judgment and contempt I had for my fellow man too.... I was a JW, just like you....the loop in my thinking was closed. In that mindset, which you clearly have, you feel righteous, you practice contempt for your fellow man, you don't love them. The two are not the same...
If you believe in Jesus, he said LOVE your enemies.... (I can clearly see what side of that fence you stand on).... now if the sacrifice was about showing mankind love and mercy....and you honour the sacrifice, where is your love and mercy? Isn't that what it's all about anyways?... Isn't that what God's doing.... Desiring the survival of all? Or don't you appreciate what your supposed to consider the gift of faith and forgiveness that you think has been given to you? Is your ministry a ministry of hate? you can't do both... on the one hand.... love only JW's and hate your fellow man... what does that get you? Paul said you could perform all the works of the spirit, but if you didn't have love, it was for nothing.... See, it's so easy, too easy, to point your big stinky finger in someone else's face and say, God's going to kill you and save me....I'm chosen, I'm special and I have the right... because some organisation tells me I do.....that's child's play.....it's not mature, nor is it right. What's harder to do, and necessary in this case, is to examine yourself, even in the face of conflict and find love for your fellow man, even if you disagree with him....that's the struggle... In this case, you do what you are taught... seperate from the message in the scriptures.... you live contempt. Juxtaposed to your position, Jesus taught people to love one another, to sacrifice for each other, to pray even for their enemies.... he didn't say you judge them, find them wanting and persecute them.... tell them God's going to kill them.... But those are the works that you and your ill-informed ilk are doing..... taunting men with death by God.... how childish, ......judging them, showing blatant contempt for them....how immature. I don't like you so God's going to kill you. Like Jesus? no, but rather like the pharisees and saducees of the time.... haughty, arrogantly superior, and seriously mistaken.
Do you really feel chosen? Do you really feel so superior to your fellow man that you somehow, by some special magical or mystical right have the right to judge, call people names, call for people's destruction? Then, I say to you, you think too much of yourself, .... your a legend in your own mind... and Christianity, or any form of faith in your hands is a toy you play with... such is the quality of your faith....
All of the "biblical" examples of holy men did exactly the opposite... they really and intentionally wanted people to survive...all that could.... Abraham, Moses, Jesus... all worked diligently to secure the safety of what the religious leaders of that time thought were the least significant, least righteous people on the face of the earth.... so what special knowledge do you have apart from that... are you convinced of your stand or are you arrogant and presumptuous....?
Your actions already clearly indicate a seperation from doing "what you know is right" to "doing what you want even though you think it's not right". Now, did you tell that CO that you do post on JWD.... or did you hide that fact? My guess is, you hid it... your actually ashamed to admit to your contemporaries that you do post here... you live in fear of them finding out.... you play games with your own conscience... and you expect people here, not to notice... see pal... most of us have been where you are already... and then, you have the nerve, to sit in judgement of others.... Judge not lest you be judged... see, if you judge us by a standard, you better be living by that standard... your effort has only succeeded in you judging yourself... publicly... by your own actions and words, you are fit for destruction.... most of us here have gotten over our own self importance and that grand pretentious ingnorance that belongs only to the blind following the blind... we're not playing games with our consciences anymore... where does that leave you?
You've also shown yourself to be very naive spiritually... and your in the wrong place mister, to be playing your children's games in this very adult place... if you fear God, like you say you do... then you should be doing what you know is right... if you and your kind really feared Armaggedon, then you would hide behind Jehovah's skirts ... cowering in fear of his actions... or don't you understand what Armaggedon is supposed to be? You shouldn't be ignorantly using God as a weapon at your own disposal... just cause you feel like it... honestly, do you think God appreciates or needs that sort of effort? It's a laughable thought, if you thought first....you didn't though, did you? Most JW"s don't think... they act, react. I know, I used to be one...
You're a child, wearing last year's spiderman underwear, and it's way too tight....
Inq
Edited by - Inquiry on 30 October 2002 9:10:36
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Hi Pist....
lol.... go for it bud.... I appreciate the vote of confidence...
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It seems to me that the success and the continued success of the WT pinges on it's dissemination of it's literature... it's the financial mainstay of the organization, besides voluntary donations, which no doubt are also considerable but I think that the WT's main financial source is it's literature...it is for all intents and purposes a publishing company.... Even the religion depends on it's literature sales (aka donations- hahahaha- excellent marketing tool that!) If it became unprofitable for them to print their literature, the organization would have to either make changes (downsize or market themselves differently) or the worst alternative of all.... increase it's donation base....increasing your donation base is hard to do... ask any charitable organization... Imagine the Sunday talks then.....
I'm thinking of what happened to them in France... with the tax levied against them, they moved their printing equipment to England....Make no mistake.. this was an expensive proposition....and it cost them big....as a company... printing in France lost it's financial viability, and they shut their printing facility there.....
The WT is becoming more and more vulnerable to a sizeable societal backlash against them... it is emotionally based, which means you have to choose your moments carefully, but the target should be their financial mainstay... can you imagine the WT having to sell it's publishing company in order to make ends meet? Now, that would be something.... Kinda like former Ontario Premier, Mike Harris having to sell Hwy 407 on Ontario to balance the provincial budget....oops... political satire notwithstanding....
If someone did something like protest the WT's literature through small attractive static window stickers that said something like "This household will not accept Jehovah's Witness Literature on Principle" or "We are not taking calls from JWs today"or "I shoot every sixth Jehovah's Witness that knocks at my door, and the fifth one just left"(you get the drift ), and sold them for say $.50 to $1 or used that sort of vehicle to help fund an organization such as Silent Lambs... it could catch on..... Most people don't enjoy having their doors knocked on by Jws, and then because most people are nice people, have a hard time dealing with the insistence of JWs at their doors to give them literature... All they'd have to do is purchase a sticker, stick it to their window closest to the door, and when the JWs knock, just point to the sticker and say, "Can't you read?" Then close it... I think it could fly... over time... it could have quite an effect on liturature sales... which would have quite an effect on the WT..... Also fueling this societal backlash... by posting transcripts of the programs that have aired about the sex abuse scandal say in laundromats... bulletin boards at the bank, etc... might help to promote those stickers....
This is just a top of the head idea... and before I've had me morning coffee mind you... but, it would be interesting to see what would come of it....
What do you think?
I'm going to make myself a cuppa coffee now and reread this post to see if I've made a total ass of myself... lol
Toodles for now
Inq
i was watching cnn yesterday when they were talking about the supreme court ruling.
there was a "counsel" that was representing the jw's and he was explaining what the ruling meant for the borg and all citizens of this country.
then he went on saying something that just blows my mind and has always bothered me when i used to be an active dub.
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The program they were so proud of making was the MEPPS program... it was the first program to publish in several languages... it was a bit of a coup as they beat IBM in making it... I was working at IBM at the time and I had just started to study with dubs... I remember my co -workers asking about MEPPS...
When I took the tour in Wakill NY.... they really hyped MEPPS...
Good program... (compliment to the program... not what they do with it...) I wonder how much money the WT actually made selling it...quite a bit I'm sure..
Inq
since the subject is so topical after tonite's "dateline".
and how the young woman did a wonderful job of explaining.
what had happened to her and how her "wonderful spiritual family".
This would have been awesome on dateline... it's exactly what happened to those young women...
AWAKE! 3/8/93 p.7
Presents a caption, "Profile of a Potential Rapist," which might be more
aptly captioned, "Profile of a Spiritual Rapist." It is interesting to
note that six of the twelve characteristics of a potential rapist applies
to the attitude of the Society:
"Emotionally abuses you by insulting you, ignoring your views, or getting
angry or annoyed when you make a suggestion." "Tries to control elements
of your life, such as how you dress and who your friends are..."
"Gets jealous" "Talks down about women in general." "Intimidates you"
"Can't handle frustration without getting angry." "Doesn't view you as an equal."
Inq
the "please be seated" post rememded me of our experiences at the last district assemblies we attended.. it was in the nynex / manchester evening news arena and it was hot ... damn hot.
they were obviously being 'cheap' and not paying for the air conditioning to be turned on.. liam was a baby and was becoming unwell because of the heat.
he was overheating badly which is pretty dangerous at that age so we stripped him off and took him out up the steps to the concourse.
Hey Orange... I remember that convention... it was sooo hot the elderly were dropping like flies... if I remember correctly, someone died because of the heat.... It was awful...
See ya
Inq
did i miss something?!!
is sometime trying to send a "cya" message to the... well, i guess the media and general pub... no, wait... i know... their "members"!
we don't condone... or hide... child molestation!
Hi all... I noticed on the bottom of the first article in very small print....<b>Appeared in Awake! October 8, 1993</b>.... can someone look this up and verify this information.... let's see if they've changed the article... I don't remember this one... and I was in the borg at the time...
Thanks
Inq
i was just wondering if an end to disfellowshipping might be enough to solve some other major problems, as well as deflecting criticism away from the society.. people could act on their own conscience over blood, for example.
sure, the wtbts could still say it was wrong to have a blood transfusion if they felt so inclined, but at least people would be able to make a decision based on a belief rather than acting out of fear of shunning.
it would certainly take the heat off the wtbts.. it would also take away the rage that exs feel when their families are instructed to shun them, so that the ex becomes a major and formidable opponent against the witness religion.
LOL Eman....
Nope... I'd keep me spurs on... like em anyways... lol... even if DF stopped, there are still the other issues... and the pain and damage that DF has already caused, and the years of families ripped apart... having it finally done with won't fix that...
Tanx again eman...
Inq
