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  WTS attends as a NGO to OSCE in July- 4 branches present!

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so i was just cruising www.extj.com/foro.

  mary received a interesting bit of osce information via a brother (peter) from germany....... http://www.extj.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14643.

  here is the pdf she has uploaded..... http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2009/07/38763_en.pdf.

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  Gorbatchov

  See the Watchtower Lawyer (and Convention speaker) Brumley at a US Senate hearing with other religious delegates.

  If I do the same (if I even think or dream about it), I will be shunned directly by the local elders!
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  WTS attends as a NGO to OSCE in July- 4 branches present!

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  so i was just cruising www.extj.com/foro.

  mary received a interesting bit of osce information via a brother (peter) from germany....... http://www.extj.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14643.

  here is the pdf she has uploaded..... http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2009/07/38763_en.pdf.

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  Gorbatchov

  If you call the society, you will get the answer "The Watchtower Society" has no ties with the OSCE and UN". And formaly, this is true.

  Because, it is not the Watchtower Society, that is present at the OSCE meeting. It's the European association of JW, the Russia bla bla of JW etc.

  The entity is a sub organisation of the Watchtower Society. So, formaly they are true if they say "The Watchtower Societ" was not present.

  Hypocrisie optima forma.

  Gorbatchov
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  When Did You First Get Exposed To "Apostate" Info? How Did It Affect You?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  as a kid, i used to read all the watchtowers of the 40s and 50s to see how the present day information developed from its original "thought".

  i was exposed to many eye opening statements but i swept them under the carpet (although it stayed in the recesses of my brain) until the time was right.. so for me, it was a gradual thing.. how were you affected by your first encounters with "apostate" material?

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  I read information about JW in the public library. Some witnesses worked there so I (15 years old) had to take a constant look over my shoulders. I was scared the elder watched we me reading the public JW file overthere. Ten years later I got internet on my room and took a look at H20 Hourglass everyday. I was scared about reading the information about 1799, 1874 and the original teachings about 1914. It was the beginning of my sarcasm about the JW writersstaf.

  Gorbatchov

  "History is a capricious character.
  It depends on who writes it."
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  The Watchtower September 15, 2009 (PDF)

  by possible-san in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  now, in my japanese forum, the watchtower september 15, 2009 (pdf, 33.8mb) is downloadable.. but only a registrant can access.. http://bb2.atbb.jp/strongwings/viewtopic.php?t=471.

  if you are interested in that pdf file, i will upload it only for one week.. .

  possible.

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  Gorbatchov

  Possible-san, thanx for the hard work etc. Please make it easier availble next time.

  Gorbatchov
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  WTS causing more anguish

  by GapingMouth in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i don't really know where to start on my first post; i feel i have so much to say and yet i am so emotionally tired that it is hard to go through it all again in my head.

  but, i do need support and advice and so i will make the effort.. i started having doubts about certain beliefs of the witnesses about 2 years ago and did research since that i now come to the belief there is no god, and witnesses definitely are a cult.. at first it bothered me more on the god issue, but now i am more bothered by the cult issue, mainly because it dictates my life even though i am aware of it.. when i was a child, my mother and father divorced and my mother told me i will live with my father because she was going to die at armageddon being a non witness.

  i think, as well as many other pressures i cant list for fear of a very long post, this was the main pressure that made me get baptized even though i wasn't that happy being a witness.

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  Gorbatchov

  Dear GapingMouth,

  I read your story and I wish you all the best. Take care for you and your wife. Don't make decisions to soon. I'm still "in", although the definitions describe me as "in-active". The JWD forum helps me to know we are not alone!

  "History is a capricious character. It depends on who writes it"

  Gorbatchev
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  PDF, the Watchtower August 15, 2009

  by possible-san in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  now, in my japanese forum, the watchtower august 15, 2009 (pdf, 32mb) is downloadable.. but only a registrant can access.. http://bb2.atbb.jp/strongwings/viewtopic.php?p=1598#1598.

  it is deleted within about one week.. .

  http://godpresencewithin.web.fc2.com/.

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  Gorbatchov

  Possible-san, thank you for the PDF. I'm a witness, but do not regulary visit meetings. So I have to download the WT, they don't provide me at the meeting. ((: What a joke, isn't it?

  Gorbatchov
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  Have you ever written a letter to the WTBS and gotten an answer?

  by gubberningbody in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm curious..

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  Gorbatchov

  Yes, more then one. And answers too.

  They also contacted me about my activities on the internet!

  Gorbatchov
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  Answers to Bible Questions – from the DC recordings provided by AuntBee

  by insearchoftruth in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i listened to this recording and wanted to provide a summary of what i have heard......in essence the end is here, keep on the watch, how can we tell the end is here, we tell you so, so keep on the watch....what about those who had incorrect expectations, well they were awake and watching, but mistook some of the signs, but the end is still soooo near.. .

  the speakers pace is sooooo slow, even on the fast speed of playback, it seems to me to be slow.

  he starts with an explanation on how they have a wealth of information available to them, and most of the questions they are answering come from the theocratic library, but one must be willing to do the research (i guess only amongst somewhat current publications, and of course only use the watchtowers information).. .

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  Gorbatchov

  An organisation is responsible for the actions of her members and her leaders . 1975 was, as we know (read the Ray story) an idea of Fred Franz.

  Instead of stopping vice-president Fred's visions, they (collective leadership) liked the "expanding of the organisation / more members" those years.

  They are wrong, and the result is that still in 2009 (!!) they have to answers quesions on the DC.

  These question and answer sessions on the DC made me crazy when I attended. They are in my opinion mind control optima forma.

  When you have to use this techniques you have to hide much of the truth.
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  District Convention Friday pm talk - “Answers to Questions About the Last Days”

  by yadda yadda 2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  does anyone have a report on the content of this talk please?

  any "new light"?.

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  Gorbatchov

  Thank you very much for the audio file. Great posting.

  Gorbatchov
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  ZIMBABWE BETHEL ON IT'S LAST LEG, BETHEL GETTING CUTS. . . Email making the rounds.

  by whereami in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  and we sometimes think we have issues here.... .

  oh jehovah how much longer until you're vindicated.

  remembering our brothers in zimbabwe.

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  Gorbatchov

  It is true. Brooklyn has $$$ and Africa has nothing. I know the situation in other country's there. The don't give a d...n about them.

  They speak but do not act.

  Gorbatchov