Posts by Gorbatchov

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2010 memorial partakers?

by isaacaustin in

not sure if this was previously posted...but how many partakers were there this year?

thoughts on if they are headed to making this number symbolic while still stressing earthly hope?

or simply leaving it as a literal number and claiming both groups gathered concurrently throughout time?

Gorbatchov

Here, in the Netherlands the total number of visitors of the memorial 2010

30.000 instead of 40.000 in 2009. Significant difference in one year: - 10.000.

If there are less visitors at the memorial, could we say there are less partakers?

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WTBTS 2010 AGM notes (GAG alert)

by billyboy in

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here are some highlights from the 2010 annual meeting;.

branch overseers/representatives from around the world gave greetings from their branch and gave some encouraging experiences from the field.

Since childhood I wondered reading in the magazines about these yearly Watchtower stockholders assembly about: are these the people with power? They do vote people for WTS management positions and strategy. I think 100 percent votes with the voting advise.

But I wondered that some witness are more witness than others (...)

Gorbatchov

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untitled

by Gorbatchov in

it changed.. i remember when the secretary of the congregation informed my father secretly about the times magazine article on raymond franz in 1982.. i remember the heated discussions in the family about the new dissfellowship rules +/- 1980. .

i remember the release of the revelation book in +/- 1987 (presented on a way the end was coming and very near!).

i remember the 1995 change of this generation doctrine.

Gorbatchov

It changed.

I remember when the secretary of the congregation informed my father secretly about the Times magazine article on Raymond Franz in 1982.

I remember the heated discussions in the family about the new dissfellowship rules +/- 1980.

I remember the release of the Revelation book in +/- 1987 (presented on a way the end was coming and very near!)

I remember the 1995 change of this generation doctrine

I remember the switch from bible articles to strict organizational articles in the magazines

I remember the teaching "Say the bible says... and don't say The society says..."

The Watchtower society changed it in an organizational money machine

And then the internet came and made it public

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Watchtower images

by Gorbatchov in

in the previous posting i watched the watchtower images about worldly people etc.

how awful are these.

since childhood i am grown up with this kind of indoctrination.

Gorbatchov

It's not unique. Other religions have Hell. Jehovah's Witness have their Armageddon.

There is one unique point: Jehovahs' WItness learn their children from baby's years the guilt and Armageddon story through the publications of the Society.

That's indoctrination.

This part of our believe has to change. Has to stop.

Gorbatchov

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Watchtower images

by Gorbatchov in

in the previous posting i watched the watchtower images about worldly people etc.

how awful are these.

since childhood i am grown up with this kind of indoctrination.

Gorbatchov

Blondie,

I have one right description about these propaganda indoctrination: religious porn.

Gorbatchov

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Watchtower images

by Gorbatchov in

in the previous posting i watched the watchtower images about worldly people etc.

how awful are these.

since childhood i am grown up with this kind of indoctrination.

Gorbatchov

In the previous posting I watched the watchtower images about worldly people etc. How awful are these. Since childhood I am grown up with this kind of indoctrination. Watch the little children naked on the flood image waiting for their dead. Now I have my own children, I'm totally shocked! There are much more of these pictures in recent magazines. Although I'm a conscious class witness (tm) I'm sitting totally shocked on my chair. What a crazy believe with horrible indoctrination.

Gorbatchov

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Watchtower publications resources FSC certified?

by Gorbatchov in

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friends,.

in a recent the new york times article, one of the editors of the watchtower mentioned that the magazine has worldwide the biggest printing run / circulation.

record breaking.

Gorbatchov

Friends,

In a recent The New York Times article, one of the editors of The Watchtower mentioned that the magazine has worldwide the biggest printing run / circulation. Record breaking. My question is: are the Watchtower publications FSC certified? Does the Watchtower Society use responsible paper? I mean, if you publish the worldwide most circulated magazine, you own the world a responsible use of resources.

http://www.fscus.org

Does somebody now more about this?

It could be a nice topic...

Gorbatchov

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JW woman dies in car accident out in the "work"--where was the holy spirit?

by blondie in

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http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/traffic/mazda-crushed-by-truck-friday-carried-four-women-938492.html.

mazda crushed by truck friday carried four women headed out to share word as jehovah's witnesses; one diedbysonja isgerpalm beach post staff writer.

updated: 6:57 p.m. sunday, sept. 26, 2010. posted: 1:33 p.m. sunday, sept. 26, 2010. .

Gorbatchov

Friends,

I've got many relatives in Africa. JW's in Africa die caused by hunger and sickness. The society is doing nothing for these JW's.

No medicine, no food, no help anyway, only sending CO's time by time for the organizational things. The Holy Spirit gives these JW no manna, the keys of the prison to be released, miracles to recover from sickness.

It's all unforeseen occurrences.

The JW mythes told in congregations and conventions are absolute BS. Why does Jehovah protect brother A and let sister B die. Because there is a greater plan for brother A?

This part of believe is so hypocritical. I lost my fait because one of my relatives has died under those circumstances that if someone from heaven could help, they simple had to be there at that moment.

I don't believe someone in heaven can help people on earth. If they could, they are very very cruel to let this things go on.

I'm in my mind with the family of the JW woman mentioned above, I hope they will find some peace, at their own way.

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Convention Badges Location

by Bangalore in

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why does the wt ask jw's to wear their badges on their chest?

in the case of brothers it is not a problem but is it not embarassing for the sisters?

also if an attendant for some reason has to check out a sisters badge, it might appear that he is staring at.... escpecially considering that this is a religion regarded by many as quite prudish.. .

Gorbatchov

Here in the Netherlands (for US readers: a small country in Western Europe west of Germany and north of Belgium), most JW's don't wear Convention Badges anymore. We don't like those Watchtower-tools. We don't donate money also. That's why we are punished by the Society. No coffee, bad seats and no video screens anymore to see the speaker... It doesn't matter, there is always a McDonalds for coffee to find, and we don't have to see the speaker, to hear him is bad enough. Most of us also attend the convention only at saturday and sunday, because our job on friday is a good excuse to stay away.

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New DVD about WTS history: no generation too

by Gorbatchov in

i watched the new dvd earlier this week and the speaker at the convention did his presentation about the new understanding of the generation bla bla bla and the overlap of the generation bla bla bla and then presented the new dvd.

but also on the new dvd the overlap and even "the generation" is not mentioned at all.. the dvd is missing very much information and gives disinformation.

my family asked in a choir "was russell not married" when we watched the dvd.. i told them that he was divorced (...).

Gorbatchov

I watched the new DVD earlier this week and the speaker at the convention did his presentation about the new understanding of the generation bla bla bla and the overlap of the generation bla bla bla and then presented the new DVD.

But also on the new DVD the overlap and even "the generation" is not mentioned at all.

The DVD is missing very much information and gives disinformation. My family asked in a choir "Was Russell not married" when we watched the DVD.

I told them that he was divorced (...)

"Ok..." was the answer.

Gorb