Posts by monkeyman

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New CO 70 yrs old, "youre not doing enough" school. Sigh

by monkeyman in

got our new co. old school guy, 70 yrs old.

mo is "youre all not doing enough".

sigh.. three yrs of this asshole..

monkeyman

Got our new CO. Old school guy, 70 yrs old. MO is "youre all not doing enough". Sigh.

Three yrs of this asshole.

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Blondie's Comments You Won't Hear at the 11-22-09 WT Study (DIVINE EDUCATION)

by blondie in

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6:9; isaiah 9:6.. comments.

what is one way that divine education helps us prepare for the future?.

divine education.

monkeyman

Did anyone else find this article distressing???

The thrust I got was that becoming a doctor is bad, worldly, selfish, etc. Becoming a pioneer is what a good Christian should strive for.

Is that bizarre or what??

Say what you want, that's the way it was presented here.

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HELP I need some ex-elders help for a phone conversation with my JW parents

by cyberjesus in

ok this is the deal: i was dfd 14 years ago, i was just planning to go back last year.

i had planned to come back with a clean conscience so i started to study and research the wt to prove to myself this was the truth, the elders had met with me to suggest me to submit a letter of reinstatement, in the same meeting i told them i had some questions that i needed help with before i was to go back.

they said they were gonna answer those questions after i was reinstated :-d so i went by myself and started doing my research.

monkeyman

Elder for 14 yrs......................

Look, the moment you begin your "intervention" by asking some of the above well intentioned questions, their apostate radar will go balistic and you will be busted forever. Don't for a minute think that you will get a listening ear.

Face it, JW do not allow for independent thinking on spiritual matters. It's their way or the highway and the payback is severe.

So if you want to have relations with your JW family from now on, keep your "independent thinking" to yourself and fake it. Otherwise you will be branded an apostate and they will shun you forever.

Think twice about the "brave" advice given here by some who may not have family to lose.

I dont like this any more than you but what I'm telling you is what will happen.

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Your Personal Top Ten Movies

by KingDavidwasframed in

"the oracle's" last comment on my shawshank thread inspired this.

so what is your all time top ten.

for ease, if you like a whole series (like godfather 1-3), count them as one.

monkeyman

OK here goes

1. The Godfather - it just is

2. Full Monty - funniest movie ever

3. 40 yr old virgin - second funniest movie ever

4. 2001 a space Odyssey - most accurate sci fi movie ever

5. Dr. Strangelove

6. The Abyss

7. Apocolypse Now

8. Star Wars

9. Lawrence of Arabia

10. Billy Elliott

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Our Kingdom Ministry 2009 tells sick & infirm NOT to view telephone hook-up as convenient alternative to being personally present at KH!

by LUKEWARM in

i am feeling sick after reading the question box - it's so cold and unfeeling toward those who use the telephone to listen to congregation meetings.. .

the wts desire to control their weakest members - the infirm and chronically ill - by guilting them into "putting forth the effort to be personally present " at the kingdom hall is disgusting.. .

they are heartless bastards.... ________________________________________.

monkeyman

It's not about the $. It's about control. The cold hearted bastards love this stuff because it gives them carte blanche to have a meeting to judge whose worthy and whose not.

Interestingly, it's the Service Dept, headed by T Jaracz who writes the KM, not Writing Dept, headed by Barr, I think. You can tell the difference in style. You'd never find such drivel in the WT. I read somewhere on this site that these two camps dont like each other.

It's the same with the signs on the back two rows. That was in the KM also. Control, Control, Control. It now gives them something to do.

I know where the elders had a 3 hr meeting on a Sunday to discuss where the congregation should sit. They also posted MS to stand by those 2 rows like guards to block anyone who "violated" the signage. Nice huh?

Couldn't wait to go to the meeting to feel the love.

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Who Writes WT Study Articles?

by monkeyman in

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ok, i have to admit that i thoroughly enjoyed the wt study yesterday nov 1 about adopting jesus' personality.. it was far from the ho hum studies that focuses on fs.. my question is..............who writes the wt study articles?

this one was definitely written by someone other than the last 50 or so articles.. so is there anyone out there who knows how these articles are submitted.

there is a famous article written back in the late 90's dealing with depression.

monkeyman

OldHippie...............That's the article I was thinking about.

I just happen to know who wrote that. He is not of the anointed and is in the writing dept.

That was in 93? Wow. It's been too long. Not too many articles like that since. Too bad.

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Who Writes WT Study Articles?

by monkeyman in

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ok, i have to admit that i thoroughly enjoyed the wt study yesterday nov 1 about adopting jesus' personality.. it was far from the ho hum studies that focuses on fs.. my question is..............who writes the wt study articles?

this one was definitely written by someone other than the last 50 or so articles.. so is there anyone out there who knows how these articles are submitted.

there is a famous article written back in the late 90's dealing with depression.

monkeyman

OK, I have to admit that I thoroughly enjoyed the WT study yesterday Nov 1 about adopting Jesus' personality.

It was far from the ho hum studies that focuses on FS.

My question is..............Who writes the WT Study articles? This one was definitely written by someone other than the last 50 or so articles.

So Is there anyone out there who knows how these articles are submitted. There is a famous article written back in the late 90's dealing with depression. It apparently got a tremendously positive response. I know who wrote that one.

Has anything changed?

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To Current and Former Elders

by Styxx in

i wanted to say a few things to current and former elders.

it was really a post by alltimejeff on 10/1/2009 that got me thinking about this and i address a few things that he says here.

but i dont want to single him out because i really think that he is typical of many, and he did in fact apologize for his actions at the end of his post.

monkeyman

ATJeff

For what its worth............I loved your story. You're a good writer too. We have a lot in common and your words reminded me a lot of my own story. Being on this site has given me the insight that my story was not some wierd anomaly, but that others like you shared a common thread. It was refreshing.

I spent a lifetime learning how to be a good elder. I had an amazing mentor who I still love and respect. He gave me insight on how to really be of benefit to the friends. Many approached me with their problems and I was pretty good at helping them.

Then I got caught up in a power struggle and was removed for a ridiculous reason. I spent 10 yrs in a funk and have just now somewhat emerged from it.

Styxx is way off base in his concept of being an elder. He sounds a lot like the morons who removed me.

Keep up the posts.

I like reading what you have to say.

Shut up Styxx

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Has an elder ever made a difference in your life?

by monkeyman in

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ok, i've read a lot of horror stories out there about outrageous shepherding calls so i know they exist.

i've also been on several and received 2.. however, as an elder i thought i was pretty capable at helping people and making a difference in their lives.

i've had people tell me so over and over which was quite comforting to me after i was unceremoniously removed.. so here's my question......has anyone out there ever been the recipient of the kind of loving care from elders that made a positive difference in your life?

monkeyman

OOMPA...............you're right. This thread was not what was expecting. Too bad. I used to think that good things happened on a regular basis. Now I can see that they rarely happen. Verrrry disheartening.

Shamus.............I want your picture

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Has an elder ever made a difference in your life?

by monkeyman in

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ok, i've read a lot of horror stories out there about outrageous shepherding calls so i know they exist.

i've also been on several and received 2.. however, as an elder i thought i was pretty capable at helping people and making a difference in their lives.

i've had people tell me so over and over which was quite comforting to me after i was unceremoniously removed.. so here's my question......has anyone out there ever been the recipient of the kind of loving care from elders that made a positive difference in your life?

monkeyman

OOMPA...............

Well, one brother I recognized had OCD long before anything was ever known about it. I was surprised that nothing was ever printed in the WT about it at the time, around 1990. I took him to a psychologist, something others frowned upon. Others tried to help by reading him passages in the Bible. The doctor easily recognized the problem and prescribed a medication that helped tremendously. Interestingly the doctor said it was the highest dose he ever prescribed. But the brother stopped being suicidal and eventually got married and led a better life for a while.

Another brother I recognized had a mental, not a spritual problem and also took him to the doctor. (Same doctor) The guy had paranoia. The doctor said it was the easiest mental problem to diagnose and the hardest to treat. (patients assumed the doctor was out to get them) The brother trusted me, took the meds and got better. To this day he thanks me for saving his life and marraige.

One of the first shepherding calls is went on as a newbie elders was A young teen age girl have issues. They were just normal growing up issues but the elders and her parents were up in arms. I remember one elder reading the WT to her about smoking and just creating a huge guilt trip. Can you imagine just reading to her out of the bound volume? She was not responding. This guy was an experienced elder and I was a newbie, but I told him to put the bound volume away. (he was not happy with me) I just started quietly talking to her not about smoking which was just a symptom of the problem but about being angry and unhappy and the reasons causing it. She was very stoic for a young girl but tears just started streaming down her face. I think she always appreciated that and we developed a close bond after that. She struggled through those years but ultimately I could see her become happy and I think she appreciated the first time when I just talked to her.

These are a just a few. I have more.