what can we learn from david when he encountered saul?.
1 samuel 24:2-7 says.
and saul proceeded to take three thousand chosen men out of all israel and to go looking for david and his men upon the bare rocks of the mountain goats.
YoYoMama,
David showed restraint by not physically harming Saul. Even today the same restraint occurs, for the xJWs are NOT trying to physically harm the GB, they are only doing what David himself did to King Saul; hide, harass and form fellow "good for nothing men" who join them into a fighting force.
Fulfilled Prophecy???
IW
can anyone ask raymond franz what he knows about the un involvement?.
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kpax
"Maybe the wt has seen fit to spread some disbursments his way to keep him from airing more of their dirty laundrey."
RIDICULOUS!!!
and takes a comfy chair.
sets out a plate of great snacks and beverages with a nod of the head.
(aint cyber space great!
Why do you call yourself Elijah the Third, specifically what does the "Third" refer to?
IW
can anyone ask raymond franz what he knows about the un involvement?.
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kpax
Raymond Franz has done more than enough for us! The UN thing pales in comparison to his exposure of the inner workings of the Governing Body!
What would cause more fear in Brooklyn, the global release of the United Nations problem or Crisis of Conscience!
He has and will triumph over Brooklyn!
IW
all of us know how patricharcial the watchtower society (and most fundamentalist religions) is.
men pretty much "run the show", there probably are things a two year old "brother" would probably get to do before a poineer sister can.
because the sister is a female(maybe .
Crownboy,
We sisters missed out on judging people, marking people, disfellowshipping people, writing lies, blaming and defaming God, trampling on people's consciences, taking the lead into falsehood, etc.
All in all we had nothing to do with the gross and filthy ways of the Tower!
Let not your eye feel sorry for us!!!
IW
ask yourself one thing, seriously.
would the person you are with die for you?
would you die for them?
Well, I think many of us would die for strangers, look how many firemen died on September 11th!
I think love is a "keep going" sort of thing, when our kids or our mates trouble us, make us so exasperated! we just keep trying, we just keep going, we just keep loving them!
This day in and day out sometimes grind, and sometimes joy, makes and proves our love for them and their love for us!
IW
i was thinking about the responsibility that christianity puts on believers to convert others.
does god hold his worshipers responsibile to get other worshipers, especially when this brings persecution and death in many instances?
doesn't god consider his worshipers worth a little help in this world?
"A beautiful day with my family makes life a blessing."
Yes, it does Ken! I am very happy for you!!!!!!
Take Care,
IW
i was thinking about the responsibility that christianity puts on believers to convert others.
does god hold his worshipers responsibile to get other worshipers, especially when this brings persecution and death in many instances?
doesn't god consider his worshipers worth a little help in this world?
Undecided,
God would not hold us responsible for man-made customs and rules masquerading as religion.
Where do we go from here? The same place we and most in the world go; live our life with love for our family and friends and for those less fortunate.
As for where God is, look in the night sky!
IW
i've come upon a rather perplexing problem .
my wife, who became a jw after we married, recently decided to help me to understand how i am actually worshipping christmas and thus all sorts of terrible false gods.. this caught me so off guard i was unable to mount a good defense.
we just ended up fighting.. her case is the following:.
Indireneed,
You might want to consider telling your wife that if you did not celebrate Christmas just because she said so, you would then be worshipping her!! "Indeed, everything that is not out of faith is sin." Romans 14:23b
IW
it has been suggested, by a man we know, that those who read crisis of conscience, are left with a feeling of despair and are "cast adrift" after reading it.
it is his opinion that the book shouldn't have been written, because it does harm to people.
i do not agree, and would like to hear from anyone who has an opinion to share, so i can print all this out and show it to him.. comments, everyone, please????
Mulan,
This is a good question. I think the posts are in part reflecting the varied experiences of people here.
If you come cold to COC and have been someone who truly believed the GB were who they said they were, raised your kids believing that and on top of it know that really for you every other religion will not work, then yes, I would have to say that damage occurs, hopefully temporary damage.
I have known some that for them is was like having their legs cut off.
Now, I am not saying that reading the book is a bad idea, I'm just saying that we are all so different.
There are some good things about the Tower, association for one.
As has been mentioned, Ray Franz himself stayed until he was put out, and this even with his own expelling from Brooklyn and knowledge of the inner workings of the GB! How much harder might it be for some who did not have this knowledge accumulated over some 9 years experience with the GB, but who get this all in one shot!
It is a shock, a loss, a death for some.
I am happy to see that on the Commemtary Press site there are now essays discussing various spiritual topics, this is so good! It gives some who are leaving or left, a place to go for spiritual nourishment and comfort.
IW
