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  by Farkel in

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  jgnaut, .

  : much of the hebrew scriptures is a dispassionate account of israels history.

  most of the hebrew scriptures is total bullshit written after-the-fact so that israel could make them look better in history than they actually were.

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  jgnat

  Question, Farkel; do you think that EVERYONE who leaves the WTS should believe like you, and should leave for the same reasons you did?
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  Relationships

  by wovy in

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  2. experiences

  first post on here and just a basic inquiry before i get in to the meat of my problem.

  question is "is this a good forum to discuss problems i have dating a jehovah's witness?

  " i am not a witness and wonder what i have gotten myself into.

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  jgnat

  Let me start by saying I love a JW, too. I have been through all the lying and sneaking, too. But not as much as your little princess. Sheila sums it up very nicely. This is a dependent woman dependent on the WTS. When she needs a break from all the craziness, you take her back every time. She has not grown up, nor faced the consequences of her own actions. You are an enabler. I am pretty sure there are some normal women in the US. Why don’t you start again in Florida? Let mommy and daddy bail her out of debt etc. etc.

  I believe to this day that her parents know we are still seeing each other but choose to ignore it just so long as the JW community at large doesn’t know and face is saved. Am I being ridiculous in such thoughts?

  No. They really are that ridiculous.

  Was she really telling me that we refrain from the old “in-out” and a wave of the magic wand and a sprinkle of spacedust and it might be all OK!

  Yes.

  I hear a lot about keeping the “church” pure, but they took no action as it might have caused a scandal for certain people

  . It is all about appearance. Especially for an elder’s daughter.

  I don’t see her at night and never on weekends. She attends Kingdom Hall every Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday when home. When not doing that she is out with me, having a good time in a restaurant, bar or club or back at our hotel room or out at my house.

  This is a relationship?

  I believe she knows her family’s stranglehold on her is stronger than the JWs. Maybe they are one and the same.

  Yes. To leave them is to face certain death. Family/JW’s same thing. That is what she is taught.

  Her mother even went so far as to ask her not to elope a year ago, the underlying message being she did not want to miss a wedding.

  Wrong. The mother could not attend the wedding. You are an “unbeliever”. Her mother does not want you two together. Period.

  Let me also say, crazy as it makes me, I have no desire to draw her away from the religion or her family. I suppose the whole point of my post is that two years down the road I am still no closer to understanding why we can’t all be friends.

  Repeat after me. It’s a cult. It's a cult. They will never let you be “just friends”. Join or die at Armageddon. Those are your choices.

  My prediction?

  A. You will start afresh Florida.
  B. A while later, she will call you up to “join” you, and she will get you to pay the airfare.
  C. She will check out how nice your “digs” are. She will stay a while.
  D. Her conscience will get the better of her, and she will go back.
  E. You will pay the airfare, of course.
  F. Go back to B.

  How can I be so confident of the outcome? All Jehovah Witnesses are supposed to be "in unity" on what they believe. Nearly every JW will behave the same and have the same prejudices. Think long and hard if you want to have this kind of life.
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  Concern or Criticism

  by Ray6 in

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  2. friends

  an elder in my hall is always so concerned about my teenage daughter( why doesn't she comment as much as her brother, why did she miss the meeting, why this, why that).

  he keeps his attention on my wife and her friendship with another sister in the congregation and he is constantly hounding every move i make.

  i feel the love is lacking.

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  Ray, what would your "ideal" KH be like? What would have to happen for you to feel encouraged and cared for?
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  Why is it that in the GB there are mostly men of German descent?

  by azaria in

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  2. friends

  or maybe some are austrian?.

  im not trying to offend any german people that may be on this board and if i did i apologize because that was not my intent.

  but i do think that some do have a need to be in control.

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  In Canada, nearly everybody is from somewhere else. I think you make too much about origins. I am curious, though, how many of the GB came from Canada?
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  Ottawa or Philadelphia?

  by JH in

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  who do you think will win the series between the ottawa senators and the philadelphia flyers?

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  Larc, that is the funniest answer I have seen yet! ROTFL! If JH's shenanigans don't send you off the deep end, I don't know what will!

  JH, make up your mind, willya? Ask what you want but say what you mean.

  Ottawa, of course. All Canadians are obsessive-compulsives.
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  Daddy long legs..a cruel and unusual punishment

  by Brummie in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i was a kid we used to catch daddy long legs and throw them into spiders webs on the trees outside...then when the spider had finished of the dllegs we would throw the spider into a bigger spiders web and watch them battle it out....sick huh, i kinda like these things now so couldnt hurt em but any insect that used to come into contact with us had a cruel existence.

  anyhow i just heard that the most poisonous insect of all insects is daddy long legs.

  just an interesting something that i thought i would share before i go a swatting .

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  jgnat

  Brummie, you bring back a tragic memory from childhood. I loved all kinds of creatures, big and small. One year I got a bug-catcher as a gift. All I caught was one daddy long-legs. I put in a slice of banana so he would not starve to death. He took an experimental nip, then kept coming back for more. I started to get worried when he began staggering unsteadily on those big wobbly legs. But he kept coming back to that darn banana. Drunk himself to death.

  Drunk daddy long legs sure walk funny.

  My son hated mosquitoes. He would catch them live and toss them in the microwave. He told me they moved REAL FAST just before they died.
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  Lurker no more...

  by breal in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i finally got the courage to post on another thread - so figured i would introduce myself.

  as i mentioned in other thread i have been df'd for about 9-10 yrs.

  i was raised in the "truth" - although neither of my parents were never really stellar examples of good jw's.

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  jgnat

  I get it! Be_Real! Great name, and welcome! Yes, some of us like a little positive feedback to keep the old creative juices flowing. Your story sounds familiar somehow. You must have developed some amazing strengths, going through what you did.

  Very sad that even a "good kid" was put through the wringer.
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  Try to See Elders as Jehovah Sees Them

  by jgnat in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  wt march 15, 2003 april 27 study, try to see others as jehovah sees them

  the theme of this weeks article is to disbelieve the evidence and always trust jehovahs man.

  the logic goes something like this:.

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  jgnat

  Wow. Great comments, guys!

  Warrigal - scuttling cockroaches! "Who turned on the light? Shut it off! Shut it off!"
  Stephanus - You found the right question! Oh, if only that question would show up as a footnote on the article.
  Metratron - "I was wrong". Tough enough to say in a marriage. Even tougher for them. But what a cost to the membership when they don't say it!
  Rocketman - too true, too true. "Do as I say, not as I do."
  Maverick - "Follows through like a pretzel." That makes me laugh.
  Bikerchic - being among the rare anointed sure must be a heavy burden. You are right. These guys would be much closer to normal if they would drop the charade.
  Gumby - Actually, it gives me a lot of comfort to think He would give even seriously flawed people a chance.

  How could these ordinary men have strayed so far from light and love and truth? I think bikerchic has part of the answer. They set themselves up as Jehovah's exclusive mouthpiece. Such a declaration must go to one's head. Any one of us can go down the path of denial if we chose to preserve what we have in preference to the painful truth about ourselves. I pray I always stay open to correction.
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  Comments You Will Not Hear at the 4-27-03 WT Study

  by blondie in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  1 samuel 16:7.

  man looks at the outward appearance, but the lord looks at the heart.

  remember that, when the elders and others at the kh have given up on you, god has not.

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  jgnat

  Yes, this article does its best to convince members to be meek and mild in all circumstances. No direction is given on how to handle an outrageous breach of justice. Jesus DID on occassion get angry and take matters in to his own hands. I notice also, that this lovingkindness and patience is reserved for fellow brothers and sisters. Could not a similar olive branch be extended to sister Churches, and friends of the world? It must be hard to be so meek and kind on one hand, and venemously opposed on the other.
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  I'm writing a book and I need all of your help!

  by lv4fer in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i'm writing a book and i need your input.

  i'm trying to determin if more people are born into the borg or are converted.

  and if they are converted what religion they were before they became a witness.. so please answer these questions.. 1. were you raised a witness?.

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  jgnat

  I am not sure you are going to get a representative sample this way. Here is an interesting article. It is a little dated, but it might provide some food for thought.

  Why the Jehovah’s Witnesses Grow so Rapidly: A Theoretical Application Journal of Contemporary Religion, Vol. 12, No. 2, 1997 by Rodney Stark and Laurence R. Iannaccone

  Page 17

  In order to succeed,

  6. Religious movements must maintain a level of fertility sufficient to offset member mortality.

  Many religious movements have been doomed, because they had such low levels of fertility that very high rates of conversion soon were necessary merely to offset high rates of mortality. No such problems confront the Witnesses. The Canadian Census reveals them to be slightly younger than Canadians in general. Table 7 shows the same is true in the United States—Witnesses are more likely to be under 30 and less likely to be over 65 than is the general population. Moreover, active American Witnesses are more apt to be married than is the general population, which is confirmed by the American National Survey of Religious Identification (ANSRI). They also are far more likely to have large families—about a third have four or more children. The ANSRI failed to ask adults how many children they had, but it did obtain complete data on the composition of the household, which allowed the calculation that the mean household size (3.4) of Jehovah’s Witnesses is exceeded only by Mormons (3.8) among major religious groups (the general population figure is 2.6). However, Witnesses are disproportionately female, less so among the active members, less so according to the ANSRI, and even less so in Canada (55% female). It is typical for religious movements to over-recruit women (Miller & Hoffman, 1995), but this is not important so long as it does not result in too little fertility. It is of interest that the Witnesses are about as likely as other Americans to have been divorced.

  It has long been noticed that the Witnesses are very unusual for their degree of racial and ethnic integration, not only among the rank and file, but among leaders as well. Witness literature has always been quite militant in its stand against all forms of prejudice and discrimination. The data fully support these perceptions. Both the GSS data and the ANSRI data reveal that white, non- Hispanic Americans make up less than half of self-identified American Witnesses. African- Hispanic- and Asian-Americans form the majority. This may greatly facilitate the appeal of the movement in Latin America, Africa and parts of Asia.