thank you very much to the wonderful contributors to this thread.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=29183&site=3 who helped me out so much!!!.
as you can see from the subject line, i got an a- (93%) on my term paper "active euthanasia can be moral"!
Congratulations, and now you know why you are no longer a dub..
And I got an "A" for the Introduction to Logic course!
Logic and udbdom don't mix!!! -
Too bad 6 Million others can't even spell the word logic, let alone understand it... But, then again, I guess that's why Star Trek is so frowned upon.. Mr. Spock and Data must scare the Gehenna out of 'em
Just picture a dub trying to convince Mr. Spock or Data that they had the truth <hehehehehehehehehehehehe>
i have worked for and with a jw for over twenty years.
for the last three years he has not attended church in any way.......that is except one.......the yearly memorial meeting.
prior to this inactivity he was a staunch supporter in every way a witness is expected to be.
Math has always been a problem for Jehovahs Witnesses, I think the real attendance number was 144,000!
I didn't know they could find that many male vigin jew's anymore.. Ooops, sorry, forgot, they don't use that part of the scripture.. How silly of me
this is what i found at.
http://groups.msn.com/jehovahswitnessesontheweb/jwsinthenews.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&id_message=7365&lastmodified=4675377379266957167.
here more news from france.
Simply amazing!
I would love to see what the French authorities would do if this can be proven.. I'll bet that would end their stint in France right quick, and I would be willing to bet that other nations would take a hard look at them also, since this would clearly show that they are not above 'going over the law'.
Of course that would signify the beginning of the end, since the government would be turning on Religion (Well, not really a religion), but they would think it would be.. But I think we can suffer through their 'end' without any problems.. Even if it happens, my money is on the 6,000,000 being destroyed before the rest of us are
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you know,
do you think the end of the current system is going to happen in your lifetime?
Hey YK,
Oh good, you acknoledge that 1925 and 1975 the JW's predicted the end of the world.. Excellent, you have taken the first step towards freedom.
Freedom form what? Freedom from reason? Do you imagine that just because the world didn't end then, that now, by some sort of magic, or similar fantasy, that Jehovah's judgment will not finally overtake this system? The reasoning of apostates is infantile. / You Know
First, I am not an apostate. I love god with my whole heart and sole. Nor was I ever one of Jehovah's Witnesses, either baptized or unbaptized!
Second, the freedom I was referring to was once you examined the scriptures and realized that the WT did infact predict 1925/1975 in the name of God and that they are, by biblical standards, a false prophet, that you will be freed from your bonds of slavery that the WT has you under.
And, finally, I never said the world will not come to an end. My reply never stated such, as I was not talking about such. If you are not one of Jehovah's Witnesses then I appologize for the "freedom" part, since it is clear that you wouldn't need freeing from the bonds of slavery. Are you one of Jehovah's Witnesses?
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you know,
do you think the end of the current system is going to happen in your lifetime?
This ain't 1925, nor is it 1975, and WWIII ain't gonna be no Desert Storm cakewalk for the Anglo-American king. / You Know
Oh good, you acknoledge that 1925 and 1975 the JW's predicted the end of the world.. Excellent, you have taken the first step towards freedom.
Now, go look up in the bible the test for False prophet, apply appropriatly to the people who predicted 1925/1975 (The organization, as you know -- they are the ones printing and approving the print). Now, take the big leap. "GET OUT OF HER".. We'll welcome you on the other side as soon as you take the step.
Edited by - ItsJustlittleoldme on 24 June 2002 21:15:18
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you know,
do you think the end of the current system is going to happen in your lifetime?
aOh, and Toddy, you don't specify what "current system" means
That's a very good point.. The WT can get new light at any time on the meaning of "Current System".. Who knows, in 10 years there may be new light that says something like:
Upon re-examining the scriptures, Jehovah has blessed us with futher enlightenment on the way we are to interpret the "current system" and "new system". While some brothers were over-zealous in their thoughts that a new system was being said in a physical sense, we have concluded that Jehovah really meant a 'new system' in a spiritual sense. According to bible prophesy at(Insert whichever bible scripture you want to use, and bend scripture to your interpretation here) we can now see that the new system aligns with the definition of "generation", in that any 'generation' able to understand and interpret the current events of x,y and z will be transformed into a 'spiritual system' seperating themseves from this 'current materialistic system'. Isn't it wonderful how Jehovah has provided us with this new light just in time to understand the end of the current materialistic system of things. Soon we will all enjoy a spiritual relationship with Jehovah God himself, through the Faithful and Discreet Slave.
NOTE: Former, Current, Present and Future brothers who have passed away/will pass away may or may not be already in this spiritual paradise with Jehovah. We have no way of knowing as our great communicator has not revealed this information to us as of yet, so we do not wish to speculate and form any conclusions; however, wouldn't it be appropriate for Jehovah to have his loving children with him, and we do know Jehovah has made us a promise of everlasting life. So, without any speculation what-so-ever, it is possible that our loved ones are in some sort of spirit world here on earth, and are with us, we just cannot see them for they have taken the form of spirit-creatures. Again, not speculating, but we can see from bible scripture (again, insert favorite scripture here, and bend appropriatly to state what you want to 'prove') that there are two classes of spirits. Those with a heavenly hope (Who can come to earth to visit, but live in heaven), and those with an earthly hope (Those who stay and roam the earth and watch out for their loved ones until such time as they join the spirit realm themselves). Again, we realize that we are imperfect humans, and that we do not speculate in such matters, for we need to wait until Jehovah reveals these truths to us, but wouldn't that arrangement be wonderful?
P.S. Oh, do not think too hard about the fact that some people are made 'spiritual on earth via the spiritual (new) system of things' while others are 'spirit creatures' roaming the earth. Thinking can be dangerous to your spiritual relationship with Jehovah and his earthly organization. We realize that there is an inconsistency with this, but we can only explain what Jehovah has revealed to us via the Bible. It is all Jehovah's fault that you have these questions, not ours... And whatever you do, stay away from APOSTATES for they will be haughty and try to point out these incongrueties and draw you away from your loving god (oops, we mean F&DS), who has provided the proper food at the proper time. If you didn't receive it, it's because you didn't need it.. Don't go looking for it elsewhere, for that is a sin!
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you know,
do you think the end of the current system is going to happen in your lifetime?
He used to, before he got 'new light' on the definition of Generation.
Now, with the 'generation' issue handled, it can be now, tomorrow, or 5,000 years from now.. And it all fits with their very SPECIFIC (chuckle) defninition for the term Generation (The same term as defined in the bible as 70-80 years)..
Once again, the WT throws out the bible, and redefines a scripture or two..
Maybe we should ask him in October, during his next "The economics of the world are collapsing" prophesy is being made...
the bible reports that the babylonians under nebuchadnezzar destroyed .
chronology, the desolation of jerusalem would have been in the year 587/6 .
babylon (in his accession year, 605 b.c.e.
Hey Fred,
Hi Oldme,
If you want to preach to someone then you need to preach to AlanF and Farkel.
Now why would I want to preach to Alan and Farkel? They do quite well, much better than I in fact, at getting their points across.. And, I agree with most of their points... And the really neat thing, which you probably don't understand, is that I don't have to agree with everything they say, nor do they have to agree with everything I say, and yet that doesn't cause a problem.. Very interesting concept, you should try it sometime.. Let me know if you have difficulty grasping the idea, I'm sure that most of the people on the board here can help you along in your quest for freedom!
However, you know the biblical saying, those who live by the sword die by the sword.. I was merely pointing out the "sword" that you have chosen to live by, that of ALWAYS being a representative of Jehovah, and NOT bringing reproach on his name. And then showing how by your outburst that indeed you were bringing reproach on his name, and furthermore by NOT trying to help others you were failing your duty as a JW.
That's all, quite simple really. I was pointing out your shortcoming for your own benefit, so you could stop your sinful way, and become closer to Jehovah. I am showing you Christian (sorry, JW) love by reproving you in a very loving manner, and this is the way you dis-respect me? Wow! Just because I am not a JW doesn't mean that you shouldn't accept reproof from me when I'm correct, does it? After all, that is WHAT THE JW's expect of Non-JW's when they preach to us! Why wouldn't it work both ways? What an uneven scale you use... Another thing that is bringing reproach on Jehovah's name...
I think you should forget going to an elder, and just have a JC hear your sins!!!
Edited by - ItsJustlittleoldme on 24 June 2002 16:35:30
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today "president bush urges palestinians to replace palestinian authority leader yasser arafat in a step toward creating a palestinian state.
what are your thoughts on this?
I didn't hear the speech.. Did he actually come right out and say that they should replace Arafat, or was it just implied?
can anyone substantiate?
i heard from a very reliable source the following regarding the dateline episode that aired on nbc: j.r. brown was the guest speaker at the convention that i attended two weekends ago in albany, ga. and he stated to a close friend of mine who always has parts on the convention that dateline clipped and changed things around so much that a negative light was cast on jehovahs witnesses and that it was not reflective of what the society was led to believe would be presented.
he also said that at some point the society requested a live interview with dateline but they refused.
Huh, a JW lied? Say it ain't so.. I always believed they were soooo trustworthy and would never lie to a fellow JW!!! Ugh... I hope all the JW's out there take note of the deception and the lie that they just tried to pull over on ya.. !!!!!
I wonder if there are two witnesses to J.R's claim.. Heck, we can get him disfellowed..