can we trust this website?.
watchtower as a united nations ngo - critical look at the conspiracy theory.
http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/.
JW are for a world government right ?
so they share the same ideals as Hitler for example ? Would you say that ?
Jw always make clear, how they are different from all other religions or institutions, even seemingly similarities are denied by highlighting even minor points as different. (eg jesus dies for us, but not on a cross, only on a stake etc)
But out of a sudden they share the same ideals as the wild beast ????
inconsistencies where you look
i thought it would be an interesting exercise to ask everybody on here what their 'top 10 reasons why jws don't have the truth' actually were.
maybe we can see some correlating views/patterns/ideas that may help us de-programme the newbies that come on this site.
if eventually most people have an outstanding gripe/concern it'll help everybody understand the ex-jw mindset a little better.
debator:
why JW are to called false prophets ?
1) as in the WT article above seen, they call themselves prophets. and not just to warn people, also to declare what to come !!! Of course, since 1975, they were careful to promote dates, but saying for 30 years, Armageddon is around the corner, falls into the category of false prophecy. Especially the generation of 1914, that will not go before the end. Any JW in the early 90`s calculated a generation with max 80 years, so they expected the end for sure before 2000 !! And the org approved of this ! But time ran out, and 95 they had to change the definition of generation, because their interpretation failed.
2) wheter to call the information from the GB as spirit inspired or spirit directed is just a matter of semantics. In both cases it is claimed that Gods spirit is involved, and the information had divine origin or at least divine approval !
3) the message was always clear: it was never written in a way, that would qualify it as theory or speculation, rather it is expected from R&F to accept anything from the FDS as given from God !!! and questioning them would mean to question God !
"we can be glad to have such a great variety of spiritual food, just take a look at the nonsense in other churches".
"so many nice brothers, look forward to the new system, when we can all get to know them better".
"it was really a protection being raised in the truth".
"We can be glad to have such a great variety of spiritual food, just take a look at the nonsense in other churches"
"So many nice brothers, look forward to the new system, when we can all get to know them better"
"It was really a protection being raised in the truth"
"we can be servants of the most high, what a privilege"
and so on....
The worst of the matter though, guess who said this ?
It was ME !!! Today I´m still amazed I fully promoted this garbage !
makes me not trust my own judgement sometimes , how could I believe this grab for so many years ?
i stopped whilst still an active witness, just cancelled my direct debit and told myself i would put money in the box to cover things like literatrash and heat and light sometimes, and sometimes i did , but that dropped off.. the thing is, i cannot really pin down what my motive was at the time, i still thought then that it was god's org.. but i just stopped giving them money.
why ?
i dunno.. when and why did you stop giving them money ?.
never gave much, only on rare occasions, now I stopped about 2 years ago
and that's why they are in the religion?.
i recall many jws over the years who were what i'll call "weird"---and looking back at it, many witnesses are "odd" and "different"..
the best is: "use your vacation to go somehwere, where the need is great !!!"
we have one mentally ill couple, who seriously considered doing this !
i'll start.. they are a happy joyful group..
they have no mentally disturbed people among them !!
a thought, that came during last weeks wt study:.
jw believe, that any miraculous gift of the hs is gone in our time, since we have the complete, gods word.. on the other hand, they claim , hs serves them as teacher and remembrancer !.
but is this not also a miracle ?.
A thought, that came during last weeks WT study:
JW believe, that any miraculous gift of the HS is gone in our time, since we have the complete, Gods word.
On the other hand, they claim , HS serves them as teacher and remembrancer !
But is this not also a miracle ?
Or can you in any scientific way explain, how HS works ?
if not, its a miracle. So if JW claim, they have HS, they believe in the HS working miracles even today...
Most JW dont see this, a sister even commented, that this action of HS as remembrancer is not a miracle...
i always used to wonder about those awake articles that had nothing to do with anything like, "interesting nutritional facts" or other articles that could have just as well appeared in the reader's digest.. can someone explain the purpose of those types of stories?.
the only thing i can see is that people at the door might be willing to look at them even if they wouldn't take the watchtower, thereby giving jws an excuse to make a backcall..
was the awake always like it is now ?
when it started, I think 1920, it was called "consolation", then it was renamed (forgot what).
however, it seems it started off clearly religious, and later got more "worldly" in their subjects, mostly because many people prefer non-religious magazins anyway. So it was just some kind of marketing trick, to make people take the magazins...
in fact I recall many times people telling, they prefer the awake...no wonder for the WT, esp when the study article was in the normal edition, you need insider knowledge, otherwise it just sounds like bla, bla, bla....
of course, once you surpassed this insider knowledge, it becomes again blah, blah, blah...
for the so-called conscious class, those of you who know it's all a disgusting lie, what is the real reason you stay in?
i find it hard to understand how ones who know what the org truly is would continue to be an active jw.
i'm not talking about the "faders"- those with an actual plan to get out as painlessly as possible.
well put, MLE !!!
almost exact the same here, my main reasons: family, and the fact, that our congo is ok, elders are caring, and reasonable.
of course, there are days, I just wish to scream and run......
they are so simple, so ignorant, it's embarrassing!.
when apologists come here and attempt to spar with the enlightened ones on the board, the witnesses really look dumb.. their self righteous arrogance coupled with their stupefying ignorance makes me feel pretty pretty good about myself!.
wow, what a thread !
while I do not consider myself as highly intelligent, I do have the ability to discern someones thinking abilities to a degree. Through my job, I deal with a large number of all different kind of people, among them many with college degrees, even sometimes univ-professors.
I frequently have to argue against them in certain cases, and I am able to see someones capabilities on their field.
The same time I know a number of JW, some with, some without higher education. A few of them I consider the even most intelligent persons I met. ( of course, I also know quite a number of stupid ones too)
They have their doubts on certain areas, but all, and thats the main problem, accept the WTS as Gods org.
It seems, that for some, their intelligence might even be an obstacle of seeing simple truths, since their mind finds creative ways of defending their premisse.
So, among the brightest bulbs in the sky, there are also some JW, they just refuse to aapply the same critical thinking, of which they are certainly capable of, to the teachings of the WTS.
