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  How Did You View The Elders?

  by minimus in

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  i know some who truly believed they were "gifts in men".

  they needed their approval and wanted to be well spoken of by them.. i know some who can't stand elders and regard them as pests, always looking for some dirt on somebody.. i know some who liked maybe one or two but regarded the majority as unqualified.. how did you view the elders??

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  Seriously in need of opinions here

  by DilemmaGF in

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  an inactive jw guy, still close and in contact with jw family and some jw friends, wanting to marry a worldy christendom girl.

  he made their relationship known to everybody (family and friends).

  excited to get married to the girl and to start a life proper.. the jw thinking is still strong in him - doctrine, holidays, voting and stuffs; but indicated disagreement with some wts policies, teaching about wts being the only true religion, and did some research about wts, even read a part of coc.. what say you about this guy?

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  Dilemma:

  I would be much easier if he initiate the break up. Or should I keep on bugging him with the WTS-cult thingy until he (i) come to his senses and finally see the cult in the religion OR (ii) decides to go back to the religion because the worldly girl is really trying to influence me with the apostate thingy...

  It is easier, but not by much. If the witness breaks up with you, you feel that "Well, HE ended it, not me; I did all I could". But it does not feel great to be rejected because you're one of the Evil Ones, knowing, as you know, that they are just like everybody else, generally speaking. I think this is not the right thing to do, for you or for him.

  Poster JGNAT summarized the right attitude in a few words, which I copied on that other thread (http://www2.jehovahs-witness.net/social/relationships/222954/7/In-love-with-a-JW) and am posting here again, for your sake:

  I would not subsume my identity for any man.

  (Change that to "for any person")

  The congregation now grits its' teeth and puts on its best hospitality smile to "prove" to me that theirs is the superior life.

  I'm not fooled.
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  In love with a JW...

  by CuriousUK in

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  apologies if this has been discussed before, or is in the wrong forum, but i could really do with some advice.

  two years ago i met the love of my life; someone i regard as my soulmate.

  he is an active jw and i am a practising church of england person.

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  JGNAT has wonderfully expressed in a few words what I personally felt but couldn't find the words to say. I trust that my repeating those words here, with a small change, will highlight their importance:

  I would not subsume my identity for any man.

  (Change that to "for any person")

  The congregation now grits its' teeth and puts on its best hospitality smile to "prove" to me that theirs is the superior life.

  I'm not fooled.
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  In love with a JW...

  by CuriousUK in

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  apologies if this has been discussed before, or is in the wrong forum, but i could really do with some advice.

  two years ago i met the love of my life; someone i regard as my soulmate.

  he is an active jw and i am a practising church of england person.

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  Curious UK, I trust you won't join. I'm a wordly who was somehow in your shoes.
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  My Experience

  by wezz in

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  good day to everyone.

  after reading and benefiting from the numerous experiences posted here, i thought it would be proper for me to share my story too.

  i was born and brought up as an anglican church member.

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  Bookmarked, wishin Wezz and his wife the very best.
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  Seriously in need of opinions here

  by DilemmaGF in

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  an inactive jw guy, still close and in contact with jw family and some jw friends, wanting to marry a worldy christendom girl.

  he made their relationship known to everybody (family and friends).

  excited to get married to the girl and to start a life proper.. the jw thinking is still strong in him - doctrine, holidays, voting and stuffs; but indicated disagreement with some wts policies, teaching about wts being the only true religion, and did some research about wts, even read a part of coc.. what say you about this guy?

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  I wonder if Dilemma Girl is using the JW jargon (worldly Christendom girl) because she is somehow convinced that the Watchtower is right.

  You're asking about what could be in the guy's mind. I am more interested in knowing what is in your mind.

  You know, Dilemma, I was in your shoes (sort of) once. I think I understand what you feel. I surmise you're at the point where you have realized the Watchtower is not good, but are not clear just how bad it is; and are also secretly hoping that the love of your life will eventually see it that way, too, since he has manifested disagreement here and there and has already made it known that he's involved with you. In my experience, the odds are against you. I think he will not be involved with you unless you give in to the Watchtower.

  In my opinion, a worldly will not join the Watchtower once s/he knows what it really is. I am afraid that all you would need would be a little pushing to join. The prospect of being with a person you truly love, a person who truly loves you, makes it look like joining is not really a problem. The brothers and sisters are all so nice and you have an open mind. Doe anybody really know what is the true religion? Maybe they are even right. They are actually right here and there...

  Then you will feel that this is a problem you can handle. Or it is one you can handle even if it's difficult. Or it is difficult, yes, and very much, but you're not a quitter and you love him and he's so great when he's not in Watchtower mood. And then you have kids who are so proper and look so great in their suits.

  Making the decision not to join is heartbreaking because you realize that you are creating the conditions that will probably keep the person away from you. Then they will exploit that and will tell you that, if only you embraced the Truth, well... That is blackmail and you should resist it.

  I wonder if you will want to send me a PM.
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  How to explain cognitive dissonance without offending cults and religion.

  by Joey Jo-Jo in

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  (this might offend smokers lol).

  scenario 1. let's say you are aware that smoking is bad for you and addictive (element 1) so you dont smoke (element 2) - this is congnitive consonance (rational harmony).

  scenario 2. let's say you are aware that smoking is bad for you and addictive (element 1) but you smoke anyway (element 2) = the mind's natural reaction to this irrational decision is to create anxiety with the person smoking, but the person wanting to continue to smoke will substitute this anxiety with a positive mental idea "well him old so i will probably never get cancer" or "i will quit when i reach my 30's" this irrational excuse (element 3) will substitute element 1 - this is cognitive dissonance..

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  I understand the point, but I think that the real concern is not offending "cults and religion", but telling the truth to the victim in a way s/he will not be scared away.
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  I received an email in Spanish-A rumor about WT's property in Brooklyn-Need someone to translate

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  i received the following email written in spanish through my website, www.watchtowerdocuments.com.

  i used google translation, which i posted below the spanish, but would like someone fluent in spanish to translate the email accurately.

  from what i could make out, this information sounds interesting, so i decided to share it.

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  I'm a native speaker of Spanish and I find Alfred's translation to be just perfect.

  Just one comment, Alfred: "Radio Macuto" is Cuban slang only.

  Broken,
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  The lives less lived: Sons & daughters of perdition- EXCELLENT article.

  by whereami in

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  the lives less lived: sons & daughters of perdition --http://dailymaverick.co.za/article/2012-03-11-the-lives-less-lived-sons-daughters-of-perdition.

  for people who have been indoctrinated into fundamentalist faiths from an early age, losing their religion can feel a lot like losing their minds.

  the experience brings grief, anger, depression, social rupture, alienation and a loss of meaning for many.

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  Bookmarked.
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  Just Seen this Rutherford Quote on Facebook

  by cantleave in

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  quote from: wt 09/15/41 p. 287. in the kingdom the 'great multitude' will look to the lord to guide as to selecting each a mate for himself.

  why, then, should a man who has the prospect before him of being of the great multitude now tie himself up to a stack of bones and a hank of hair?.

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  I would enjoy spending the reduced time that is left with stacks of bones like Nicole Kidman's. Or bones and flesh like Sofía Vergara's.