Posts by sd-7

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Jury duty as a JW, were you summons for Jury service.

by jam in

for over 12 years i have been summons for jury service.. each year i receive a summons and each year my physician.

send in my medical excuse.

don,t get me wrong, i would love.

sd-7

As a JW, I was called to jury duty but I kept careful documentation so they couldn't call me again until the two years were up. My understanding, at least for my experiences here in the U.S., is that they get you shortly after you visit the Department of Motor Vehicles; whether you're registered to vote or not has little or nothing to do with it. So...probably I'll be summoned to jury duty again next year after I renew my registration on my car.

I never had to even see the inside of a courtroom while I was a JW, but last year I was put on a 4-day trial, but after it was over, I was told that I was an alternate juror and would not partake in the final decision. To be honest, it would be nice to have the JW status so I could refuse it, but not so nice if they decided to put me in jail for it or something. Besides, I guess people have to be involved in the process if it is to work even to the extent that it does, so...I get it.

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warped logic from the memorial talk

by why144000 in

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speaker said we should not partake because when jesus arrives he will take the remnat to heaven and the memorial will be no more.

just as we will not partake then (because the memorial will not exist) it is only logical that we will not partake now.

warped logic at its finest!.

sd-7

[Head explodes] WHAROOOOOOOOOOOOM!!-----

So we're not partaking now in preparation for the day when we will not partake forever! Sounds like WT logic to me! Obey us now for the prospect of obeying us forever!

--sd-7

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Memorial and Time Zones

by pixel in

looking at this thread by winstonsmith, http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/beliefs/249671/1/notes-from-2013-memorial-talk-appreciate-what-christ-has-done-for-you.

made me think, how is the memorial celebrated in different parts of the world?

do they all fall on this year's march 26?

sd-7

I bet the GB/WT/FDS will send a letter next year explaining how to read a clock.

Ha ha! That's worthy of a Beast-Tower article, for sure. 'Questions From Readers: How Should Christians Properly Read A Clock?'

--sd-7

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Memorial Hell

by thecrushed in

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today has been one of the most aganizing days since i woke up.

my family has been pressuring me to show up at the memorial for the past week.

it became very intense today with my dad texting me constantly to get me to confirm and when i didn't answer he would call my wife and then she would constantly nag me to answer my dad and so on and so forth.

sd-7

Wow, dude! I got kind of a rough couple of weeks leading up to the Memorial myself, just of a different sort. Sorry to hear that. Nobody should be pressuring you to attend the Memorial. I mean, how absurd is that? They're insisting you attend a meal where you're not even allowed to eat! Who wants to go to that kind of meal?

They claim you're rejecting Christ, but you're just rejecting their version of Christ, which is a very limited one, one incapable of fully forgiving your sins here and now, one who apparently has to be offered gradually over the course of a thousand years so that everyone can be forgiven. As opposed to the real one who was offered once for all time for everyone's sins. So...no need to feel guilty.

Don't let them use any kind of incentives to manipulate you. The last thing you want is to give them any kind of leverage beyond their usual spiritual/emotional blackmail.

As for this one:

I watch her get into this sisters car that she arranged to pick her up and drive away with my one true love.

Music please:

I see you driving to the Memorial

With the girl that I love,

And I'm like, forget you!

I say the change in your doctrines

Wasn't enough,

So forget you,

And forget her, too!

If it's your spiritual wishes

To pass along dishes

Well, ain't that somethin'?

Ain't that something?

And though they're J's Witnesses,

I wish them all the best,

With a forget you! Hoo hoo hoo hoooo!

--sd-7

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If anyone needs the unleavened bread recipe....

by Newly Enlightened in

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sorry it's so late in the day with this.. if anyone would like the passover bread recipe:.

1 cup whole wheat flour, 2 tbls olive oil [extra virgin] 1/2 cup water.

mix.

sd-7

But don't they sell these in the grocery store this time of year? I was thinking of just picking some up that way.

--sd-7

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JW Apologists on YouTube and the Net becoming bolder

by RayPublisher in

is it just me or are we seeing more and more of these guys?.

i have been having some extraordinary conversations with these folks lately and they are actually holding lengthy dialogues with me, one who has become "dangerous", is "poisonous", a "slanderer", etc.

according to wt.. here is one exchange from yesterday and today with a jw apologist who calls himself "warriorprince101010" who decided to call me the dreaded "a" word on one of my videos, stating that i was a "bitter apostate":.

sd-7

The UN membership does not condone the UN or claim it can bring world peace, also it is old news.

The UN association, not membership, as an NGO with DPI, does require informing the public about UN activities and accomplishments. This would probably, to say the least, be seen as a disassociating offense for any JW engaging in such activity on their own. The Society not only agreed to do this by their actions, they used ordinary JWs to disseminate information about UN activities, thus involving them directly in what should logically have been considered a serious sin. 1925 is old news, too, but that doesn't mean it has no relevance or bearing on whether JWs are teaching the truth. It's part of their history, "the history of God's organization", which JWs are even now being encouraged to study even as part of Family Worship.

I have pointed out you are an apostate, Jesus also did this.

Name a scripture where Jesus uses the word "apostate". Is there one? Jesus spoke out against those who were hypocrites, who burdened the people with excessive rules but did not obey the rules themselves, people who thought they were better than everyone else and more righteous than everyone else. So you would have to be more specific in defining this label.

One day maybe you will understand our relationship should be with Jehovah, not people in the kingdom hall, but one to one with Jehovah through his son Jesus.

Hmm. You keep saying this sentence. I do not think it means what you think it means...

--sd-7

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Memorial trauma-morial!

by Julia Orwell in

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haven't been to the kh in a couple of weeks but went to the memorial along with hubby because i'm still in the early stages of my fade.. the speaker gave a really nice talk which was divided into 4 parts: why we need ransom, how it benefits us, who should partake and how to keep benefiting.

i was ok with the first 2 parts cuz he backed up with scriptures.

then the part about who should partake departed from scripture and went into this convoluted thing about how although jesus died for us, we're not to partake because jesus didn't make a covenant with us so we don't partake.

sd-7

Goes to show how sick it is, that they guilt everyone about this simple matter, so that even if you wanted to partake, you're having to actually overcome fear of men to do it! If it really is a personal decision between a person and God, why do it this way? Oh, right. Everything's a personal decision, but they want to make sure they've told you what your decision should be and made you feel horrible if you want to make a different decision.

Sorry to hear that it upset you so. I'm still debating whether I'll make arrangements at home to partake. I'd rather not make a big issue out of it, though, especially because I just don't want to get into it with my wife. I don't really care whether I go to heaven or not, I just think partaking is something all Christians should do, whether it's once a year or once a week. Or once in a lifetime, even. Of course, I'm not really a Christian, per se, I'm not really anything but a bloody doormat, so...

Anyway, it does sadden me to hear that something that should be a joyful, spiritually uplifting occasion made you cry. I hope you'll find peace and the freedom to partake in private if you yearn to do so.

--sd-7

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First mention of "new light" may appear in July 15, 2013 Watchtower

by cedars in

a trusted source informs me that the "new light" about the faithful slave is to make its first printed appearance in the july 15th watchtower, which should be available for download online three weeks from now, on around april 15th.. i'm led to believe that the references to the new understanding are made in such a manner as to suggest the "new light" isn't that new at all, which suggests to me that little or no effort is being made to explain the doctrinal connotations.

my source and i are hoping to get a key paragraph posted at the earliest opportunity.

watch this space!.

sd-7

Well, I'll just wait for the actual article and figure it out for myself. I respect the bravery of your source, Cedars, but I don't think it makes sense for such a person to risk compromising themselves by even talking about it in any detail so far ahead of its release. But I guess just about everyone's a better double agent than I ever was...

Hmm. There's been so much about this doctrine that it seems confusing to even ponder. But that paragraph you posted--it goes to show just how illogical this entire idea is, that even the fact that 'slave' is singular is relevant to the discussion when they're talking about several people making up one body of people... The way they're talking about it, I'm surprised they don't just capitalize the title in the literature. Because when you're talking about a composite entity, it makes me think of something like...well, like the Trinity, for lack of a better term. '8 in one', I suppose. So, then, does that mean there are actually 8 faithful slaves or just one slave? It's a mystery!

No, but someone described it well when they said it's like Captain Planet. "By your powers combined, I am Captain Planet!"

I really do look forward to it. I think after reading such a profound and deep spiritual topic, I will be moved to shame, repent of my sins, and return to Jehovah's organization, which is so clearly led by its 'faithful and discreet slave' class. I eagerly look forward to being raised to the status of a 'domestic' in God's eyes.

--sd-7

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If anyone needs the unleavened bread recipe....

by Newly Enlightened in

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friends

sorry it's so late in the day with this.. if anyone would like the passover bread recipe:.

1 cup whole wheat flour, 2 tbls olive oil [extra virgin] 1/2 cup water.

mix.

sd-7

Hey, even I can do that one. I should totally make some. For some reason, I always seemed to forget the word "unfermented" and hear the word "cake" when I read those Bible accounts...but of course it doesn't taste like the kind of cake I would like, so... Only excuse for that is probably that I was always hungry at the meetings...or just assumed it would taste good because I wanted to make it interesting in my imagination...

--sd-7

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EVE - not the only woman ?

by *lost* in

can you help verify or disprove the follwing please.. many thanks.

the bible does not say eve was the only woman does it ?

adam and eve may have been the first human couple created, but there is nothing to say that he didn't create moret than one man or more than one woman, does it ?

sd-7

Genesis 3:20 states that Adam named his wife Eve "because she had to become the mother of everyone living." This would seem to pretty clearly state that they're the only humans at this point.

The other thing about the story of Cain and Abel is that it is told in a non-specific time period, "at the expiration of some time" as Genesis 4:3 says. So, unless I've missed something, it would be pretty clear that at the very least, Adam and Eve would've had more sons and daughters by the time Abel's death happened. It could even have been possible for Adam and Eve's other kids to have had sons and daughters themselves, but there's just no specific information to go on.

With that said, I'm not saying transhuman68 is wrong or anything, because regardless it does seem clear that they were living in a populated world by that time, whether it was because of Adam and Eve's kids or some other group of humans. Seth wasn't born until Adam was 130 years old. So Cain and Abel could've been the first kids but Abel's death could've happened 20-100 years from their birth, by which time there would've been many kids, but apparently the Bible doesn't bother to follow the other kids' history beyond Seth.

--sd-7