so after the memorial hell http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/249700/1/memorial-hell my wife totally missed the special talk and i only just realized from jwn that she has.
in fact last sunday i took her out to a park and we had nice time in the fresh air enjoying nature.
also she has taken up improving her congnitive skills on luminosity and today said she might actaully go and study some algebra on khan academy which i had suggested instead of spending money on luminosity.
Well, I'm probably not the one you want to hear from on this, what with the paranoia and all, but I'd say, just encourage her to pursue whatever intellectual pursuit comes to mind. That could be the beginning of something, or it could be wishful thinking on your part. I tend to go with wishful thinking when it comes to the notion of one's spouse waking up. One does not simply wake up to TTATT.
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i apologize if a thread for this has been created already.
i found the following in the awake may 2013, page 13. earlier, in 607 b.c.e., babylonian armies razed jerusalem.
and led most of the survivors into exile.
How long would the Jews be held?
Uh, guys? After they've been released from captivity, they're no longer being held. So captivity can't continue just because they took awhile to get home. It's a case of bending reality to fit your opinion. What's new? If readers wrote in about this, either they can expect to be referred to the Oct/Nov '11 WT series about Jerusalem's destruction or they can expect a visit from 2-3 elders. So...it gives them a LOT of room for error.
It's not a mole, it's just doublethink.
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i've read 'the hobbit', 'the lord of the rings' (including the appendices, well, except the shire calendar and elvish language), and 'the silmarillion'.
i was really impressed with 'silmarillion'.
almost seems like it could be a movie in itself.
I've read 'The Hobbit', 'The Lord of the Rings' (including the Appendices, well, except the Shire calendar and Elvish language), and 'The Silmarillion'. I was really impressed with 'Silmarillion'. Almost seems like it could be a movie in itself. That story of Beren and Luthien had me on the edge of my seat! Some interesting insights on so many things that I'd read in the other books and didn't fully understand.
I'm thinking I'd very much like to read 'The Children of Hurin' next. The story of Turin Turambar seemed like a really tragic one, but I think I want to see if there are more details on it than what's in 'Silmarillion'. The only part of the story that was particularly hard to read through was the geography discussion. I must've looked crazy on the bus, staring at this map of Middle-Earth trying to figure out what they were talking about. Seemed like wherever the Men came from, and wherever Angband was, couldn't find it on the map. Is there a map of Numenor? Guess I should look it up, huh?
Anyway, any suggestions on what are some good books about Middle-Earth that I could check out next? I know there's The History of Middle Earth, The Lost Tales, Bilbo's Last Song, stuff like that...just not sure where it all fits. Or if it's worth a read. Kind of a nice escape. I'll probably get 'Children of Hurin' today if I have time, but...just wanted some thoughts from whoever may be a Tolkien fan out there.
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someone on the jw lovers kool aid site jw talk.
net posted how wonderful the nwt bible is and put this list of all the scholars that love it.
my recollection is that many of these were taken out of context anyone here up on this one?.
Jason BeDuhn: "While it is difficult to quantify this sort of analysis, it can be said the NW[T] emerges as the most accurate of the translations compared."
-Greek Scholar in his book: "Truth in Translation: Accuracy and Bias in English Translations of the New Testament"
BeDuhn does praise the NWT, but he also devotes an Appendix to trashing it for its use of "Jehovah" in the New Testament. I did a thread on this after I bought his book years ago:
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just wanna know.
i'm doing the fade but i reckon my big mouth could get me dfd.
i know plenty who've been dfd for fornication/adultery, but never met one dfd for speaking the truth.
I checked to see if I'd ever commented on this one, and didn't notice a doormat, so...
Yeah, I was, though I prefer the term 'expelled'. It was a bundle charge, since I was guilty of fornication as well, but they spent very little time discussing the fornication, perhaps since I'd already been married for a couple of months by that time. The majority of the time was spent on the 'apostasy' charge. Wait, there are links that can say what I'm trying to say, if you've never read my Borg court record before:
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/189048/1/Borg-court-1st-session
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/189524/1/Borg-court-2nd-session
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/jw/friends/189607/1/Borg-court-3rd-session-verdict
Favorite moments: One elder said "I could care less about 1914!" And...they wanted to know the name of a non-JW I'd had sex with, for no reason they were willing to explain. But hey, it was loads o' fun. You should see how well things went after that!
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it was yesterday morning and hubby and i were having a huge sleep in.
it was just after ten, and with me being a bit flu-ey i was quite capable of staying in bed longer.
hubby was feeling it too, and we were pleasantly drifting in and out to the sounds of birds.. then suddenly, cloomp, cloomp, cloomp up the front stairs, then "rap-rap-rap" on the front screen door, that rapid-fire, strong knock of the practiced door-knocker.
Clever, indeed. Pretty much no JW is actually going to excuse themselves if you tell them you're sick--it's just not in them, especially when blood's in the water.
But the other thing is, he doesn't even have to actually be in the committee himself, he could just set it up himself and make it appear that he was going to be meeting with you. Probably that would be weird, but not impossible.
Definitely broke protocol by coming alone. Especially if he thought something was up--but then they've already got the witnesses they need, they just want to press the charges. Steve Hassan definitely mentions the JWs pretty strongly in his last two books, so liking him on Facebook...could be problematic, but to me that could only be so if your accusers had 'guilty knowledge' themselves.
I'm impressed with how you handled it, but as horrible as it was, I'm glad I at least got to see a judicial committee from the inside so that I knew with finality why I would never want to go back. It's just even after that, they still didn't leave me alone entirely. Showed up unannounced at my door and the Mrs. Stool Pigeon, ahem, Mrs. sd-7, I mean, let them in.
I feel for you, though. I remember that pain quite well, even three years later, it still seems so fresh. At this point, I think you need to get out. I hope you'll be free of this crap soon. At least you've got a partner who has your back, so thank Black Jesus for that!
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i felt stunned.
i felt betrayed.. just lois.
Scared, at first. Then sad, then relieved. Then disturbed. Then angry. Then utterly lost.
Now I'm mostly angry and lost and sad, and sometimes scared. I tried shutting out all JW stuff for several days, last week. It doesn't work when you live with one. Right, gotta remember that!
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from the secret elders' book which states that the list "of course" is "not comprehensive".
nevertheless here are the acts that they deem worthy of specifying as being possible grounds for chucking people out:.
murdermanslaughter such as killing someone while breaking traffic lawsattempting suicidesexual intercourse with someone other than your spouseanal sex with someone other than your spouseoral sex with someone other than your spousesexual stimulation of the genitals of someone other than your spousedelay in reporting a rape?
We have to add (1) looking at woman-on-woman or man-on-man porn and (2) in vitro fertilization if the sperm donor is not your husband. Gotta keep up, people.
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on april fools day..
"In keeping with the Bible's requirements, I, ________(State your name), recognize that:
"Jehovah has one true organization on this earth today;
"That one true organization is known as Jehovah's Witnesses;
"Said true organization is directed by Jesus Christ through the faithful and discreet slave, which is closely associated with the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses;
"Said faithful and discreet slave was appointed by Jesus Christ in the year 1919 to dispense Jehovah's truths at the proper time, in keeping with Matthew 24:45-47;
"I will obey and recognize the authority of the faithful and discreet slave and humbly submit to the direction of the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses for as long as I shall live."
...And...print!
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...or maybe not.. .
what's today's date again?.
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If you want, I can write a Beast-Tower article on this subject and see if anyone thinks it's real...but then I think it would probably have some cut-and-paste from that actual WT article about why organ transplants are okay...awk-ward!
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