Posts by sd-7

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exJW Psychology 101--Keeping Your Cool While Fading

by Billy the Ex-Bethelite in

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friends

in an effort to get some help and hopefully help others, i'd like to start this thread about psychology, specifically starting with the subject of anger management.. .

personally, i don't have much of a temper.

what i do have, i've learned to control.

sd-7

I'm pretty sure I flunked all your exJW Psych courses, B the X. Still not good at keeping my cool over these issues. It's like a furnace with a neverending flame, that sometimes gets subdued, but can never really be put out...

In fact, I don't get the sense that even some of the elders on my JC entirely kept their cool... I guess if I think back on what I said to them, I probably did throw a zinger or two out there that might've gotten under the chairman's skin a bit, you know, like throwing his own words back at him and all...

Ah, well. Too late to be cool about it now. But it would be healthier to find peace with this sort of stuff.

Also, I haven't been much of a son to my parents since leaving home. I haven't even really felt able to give them a call on the phone, even though my dad's never been a JW. Part of me never even wants to talk to my mom again in life. Hell, all of me never even wants to talk to my mom again in life. Or any of my other JW relatives, probably my wife included, terrible as that is to say.

I was used to getting bullied, either emotionally or physically, most of my life. Honestly, it's past time for me to get mad and be vocal about something for once. I've wanted to handle things more like you've done. I just f***ed it all up and never had the chance.

Whatever the case, thank you for writing this stuff down. I hope it helps other folks who have more self-control than I did.

--sd-7

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Faithful Slave chosen in 1874

by Ultimate Reality in

as further proof that the 'slave's' appointment taking place in 1918/1919 is a bunch of non-sense and internally inconsistent with the society's own claims, they (that is, what became the slave) did not even know they were appointed in 1919. in the early 1920's, they thought russell was the slave and that he had been appointed by christ (as added proof of his heavenly presence) in the 1870s.. from the harp of god, chapter 9, (1921 edition):.

"...we mark a wonderful fulfillment of this statement of the lord as further corroborative proof of the lord's second presence from 1874 forward.

he had said, in answer to the question relative to his second presence: "who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?

sd-7

Now that is a great find. Blows it all the frak out of the water. You sunk my theological Battleship!

--sd-7

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Friend gets "scriptural divorce" over wifes transgressions before they got married...

by sosoconfused in

so i have a friend in a congregation in new jersey who recently called me to tell me that he got a divorce.

nothing surprising there at first but it is the fact of when it happened.

his wife began pioneering april 1, and after about three weeks she came to him and told him that about 4 years she had engaged in loose conduct (fondling the penis and the guy kissing her breasts) during a time that she was inactive.

sd-7

Wow. Those elders are going to have to reverse their decision, I would think--they're dead wrong, based on that article.

--sd-7

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Don't You Have Faith??????

by TOTH in

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friends

awhile back i posted about my wife's father passing away.

despite her not attending meetings or even the memorial in quite some time, she and her father were always very close.

he understood her condition and did not fault her for not attending or not being active.

sd-7

Another prime example of how basic human feeling is stifled by WT indoctrination. But frankly, I think even the WT wouldn't approve of talking to a fellow brother or sister that way (at least in the textbook). It's just some people take their own extreme view and reason that a person who grieves a lot is lacking in faith somehow.

Some people would earn a fat lip for saying something like that to somebody at a time like that. Unbelievable. Then again, I somewhat identify. I can remember grieving over someone being DF'd and a sister coming up to me and saying, "Maybe it was for the best." One brother even had the nerve to grab my arm and literally clamp down so that I wouldn't walk away while he was trying to his offer his 'comforting words'.

It's effed up, that's all I can say.

--sd-7

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Crtical Analysis of the Proclaimers book

by cantleave in

just found this on google.

i'm sure this has probably been posted on jwn before, but its new to me and will be to others.. http://www.cftf.com/booklets/proclaimers/index.html.

.

sd-7

Great thing is, the WT has made interesting references to events recorded in more detail in the Proclaimers book (like 4 out of 7 of the board of directors wanting Rutherford to return decision-making authority to the board as a whole, as discussed in the July 15, 2013 WT). I've read some of the critical analysis before, and it's excellent stuff. The Proclaimers book is very revealing once you understand that the history is spread out amongst its pages so as to dilute the proof of flip-flops in doctrine and so on... --sd-7

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Post 6: My brother turns on me now - Possible Legal advice

by sosoconfused in

this is a letter i received today with my brother turning on me based on something that was told to him by my crazy mother.

he works for me, yet has not spoken a word to me in months because he is a self-righteous little dick.. .

what i would like to know from someone who knows the law, is it possible i can sue him if he pressures people to not work with me because of my religious beliefs????

sd-7

Please know, that at this point, this is my private decision. I will not discuss it with any of the brothers and sisters in the area who work with you. If in time, circumstance are such that its necessary to do that, I will.

In this statement, he has stated an intent to discuss your personal beliefs with your co-workers (employees?) at some unstated point in the future. This in itself is not proof that he has done so, however, and even if he did, he is now (from what I gather) no longer in your employ. Since he no longer represents your business, there's no legal basis for anything here, as he has not done anything from a legal standpoint other than resign and give you a personal letter stating the reasons for doing so. So I don't believe you can sue or anything. Without documented proof that he did make good on this threat/intent, this would be no more than a he said/she said situation. And even then, since he no longer works there, and deals with these men and women on a personal level, I just don't see a legal leg for you to stand on. If he still worked there and did that, it would be grounds for immediate termination on the basis of discriminatory behavior being actively promoted in the workplace.

But this is getting complicated. Seems to me he's lying about a number of things here. Lie #1:

Please note that this has nothing to do with your feelings about the organization at this point.

Lie #2:

You are my brother. I love you unconditionally.

Lie #3:

Please be assured of my continued love and support, both brotherly, familial, and principled.

There may even be more in there. These are unconscious lies, I would guess. He doesn't realize he's lying. But if he is concerned enough to stop working with you, that is a very loud and very clear statement that Lies 1-3 above are clearly false statements. If it had nothing to do with your feelings about the organization, what else is going on you've not mentioned? If he loves you unconditionally, what reason is there for him to essentially threaten to speak to other employees about your personal beliefs? This is a violation of basic ethical behavior. It's not unreasonable that you refrain from discussing personal beliefs at work especially if they're divisive ones.

Well...it sounds like you're getting hit from all ends, man. How are you even functioning? I'd be furious. I hope you'll be okay. I really do.

--sd-7

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Friend gets "scriptural divorce" over wifes transgressions before they got married...

by sosoconfused in

so i have a friend in a congregation in new jersey who recently called me to tell me that he got a divorce.

nothing surprising there at first but it is the fact of when it happened.

his wife began pioneering april 1, and after about three weeks she came to him and told him that about 4 years she had engaged in loose conduct (fondling the penis and the guy kissing her breasts) during a time that she was inactive.

sd-7

Dude! If I had known this...maybe my wife would've had scriptural grounds for divorce if I just hadn't told her about that first woman and then brought it up at the judicial committee! Me and my big mouth! Son of a beast!

--sd-7

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Change of 144000 doctrine?

by Julia Orwell in

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friends

a friend of mine just got given a recording of the last ca which was held here a couple of weeks ago and she said there's been a change to the 144k teaching.

she didn't understand what the hell they were rabbiting on about.

she's really waking up as a result of all these changes, and so are some others she knows.. anyone know of any change to the 144k doctrine?

sd-7

I did not get an answer. Perhaps she didnt hear me?

Should've used your Patrick Stewart voice.

--sd-7

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Why does god kill children?

by Comatose in

i was thinking about all the accounts in the bible that indicate god kills children as a punishment or teaching experience.

1. kills all of egypts firstborn sons, who were innocent kids who did nothing to him or his people, who had no control over the decisions pharoah made.

how many times have you read that account or thought about it without realizing the devastating pain dealt to all those parents, and remembered those were innocent kids?.

sd-7

Kill all your family even infant siblings then be made your killers young concubine plaything.

I would imagine this didn't always turn out too well...don't drink any warm milk they give you, I'll tell you that much...

--sd-7

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Why does god kill children?

by Comatose in

i was thinking about all the accounts in the bible that indicate god kills children as a punishment or teaching experience.

1. kills all of egypts firstborn sons, who were innocent kids who did nothing to him or his people, who had no control over the decisions pharoah made.

how many times have you read that account or thought about it without realizing the devastating pain dealt to all those parents, and remembered those were innocent kids?.

sd-7

David sins with Bathsheeba, god kills the baby as punishment. In fact, the bible he struck it a blow and that it suffered for a week prior to dying. WT says this was a loving thing to do since David was worthy of death, lovingly god spared him. Screw the child though.

WT even went so far as to say that David and Bathsheba no special right to the child, and because of sin, the child had no special right to life, either, and thus God could justly kill the child...talk about sick...since that reasoning could be used to kill practically anyone.

Why does he do it? He's got some anger issues, I would guess. If you look at it, he does an awful lot of murder, genocide, more murder, more genocide, mass near-extinction-level event, more murder, then a soon-to-come unequaled mass murder that will make Hitler look like Mother Theresa.

Maybe he's just looking forward to a number of Awkward Resurrection Moments. Hey David! Here's Uriah! Better make sure he doesn't read 2 Samuel...this time without arranging his death, will ya? I'm assuming Lot sobered up enough to figure out what his daughters did to him, but that's still going to be awkward...[Lot reading Genesis] "Oh, man, you mean, like, EVERYBODY knows about this?"

--sd-7