Posts by sd-7

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How do JWs Not see how barbaric YHWH is? Its what started my awakening.

by BU2B in

if one reads genesis from the first chapter through the end with an open mind, it is clear that not only is it not true, but that god is potrayed as a cruel, petty, childish micromanaging tyrant.

if one continues reading the ot this is just further solidified.

how do jws not see the obvious?

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This is something I noticed long before I had any disagreements with the WT. Some of the OT accounts were just chilling to read, in my opinion. The images of men, women and children being slaughtered really stuck with me. I couldn't help thinking, so...no one could be spared? Some of the violence was pretty graphic. I just couldn't wrap my head around how God was not only okay with it, but actually commanded that it be done.

I figured, well, if God is okay with this sort of thing, then he's nothing more than a dictator in his own right. His ultimate goal seems to be to kill everyone who doesn't measure up. I thought of the 'new system' as a world where the slightest wrong thought would get you killed. And no one would even remember you were there, because God would wipe their memories. Didn't seem like a safe and happy place to me. Just a place where happiness would be a thin disguise for fear.

So...I didn't know this would become relevant to my future awakening, I just figured it was part of all the 'warning examples' and the warning was: Obey or Die. I assumed the end would be good, so maybe God was right in wiping out people who opposed him. I couldn't say how exactly. I just trusted it to be true. My mistake.

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New May WT continuing to beat persecution/organization drum

by kneehighmiah in

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check out the new may wt.

" is nauseating.

http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20140515/moving-ahead-jehovahs-organization/.

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What I find amazing is that "THE CHANNEL OF TRUTH" cannot even fully quote it's own literature....

Right, LOL! You know it's bad when that's how it has to be! Truth Version 3.1!

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Is the Watchtower Really Rewriting their History through the DVDs and CD-ROM?s Historical Revisionist.

by RottenRiley in

i am searching for the materials showing the watchtower changing the original content like or examples of the following.. .

"the preaching work will be finished in the 20th century and never be repeated".

i heard they changed this gem, and many others, why are they so dishonest, their members are stuck in the mental mud, doubt they even read the new magazines so why are they going to the trouble of changing or revising their past magazines when the members wanting true christian freedom, practicing love and compassion will locate the revised materials?.

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*** w66 10/15 p. 631 Rejoicing over “God’s Sons of Liberty” Spiritual Feast ***
‘Does it mean that Armageddon is going to be finished, with Satan bound, by 1975? It could! It could! All things are possible with God. Does it mean that Babylon the Great is going to go down by 1975? It could. Does it mean that the attack of Gog of Magog is going to be made on Jehovah’s witnesses to wipe them out, then Gog himself will be put out of action? It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don’t any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975. But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that.

*** jv chap. 8 p. 104 Declaring the Good News Without Letup (1942-1975) ***
Brother Franz then referred to the many questions that had arisen as to whether the material in the new book meant that by 1975 Armageddon would be finished, and Satan would be bound. He stated, in essence: ‘It could. But we are not saying. All things are possible with God. But we are not saying. And don’t any of you be specific in saying anything that is going to happen between now and 1975. But the big point of it all is this, dear friends: Time is short. Time is running out, no question about that.’

Well...the same words are there, but the tone is vastly different in the Proclaimers book than in the 1966 WT article. They mean two entirely different things to the person living in 1966 and hearing that talk and the person in the '90s who wasn't there and is reading the Proclaimers book.

So...does this mean that history is being rewritten by the Watchtower? It could! It could! All things are possible with them. Does it mean that the Proclaimers book and the Faith in Action DVDs are revising the history of the org? It could. But we are not saying. And don't any of you be specific in saying anything that may have been revised between 1874 and now.

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no Valentiene's Day stress - there is one benefit to being married to a Witness

by Frazzled UBM in

but i plan to buy her a gift and a blank card in a week or two to show appreciation to her as wife and mother in substitution for valentine's day and mother's day.

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Good point, there. But you know...I've always hated this day. It usually brings back memories of the first girl who rejected me in high school.

I just don't feel a need to participate in these traditions anyhow. There's no rule that says I shouldn't and no rule that says I should. It's just stuff that people choose to do, still alien to me. I still can't get into it.

I guess I've just been too tired and probably depressed to be romantic. Was just thinking about the book of love songs I wrote for my wife and gave to her years ago, when we first got married. It was like, almost 50 of them. But she didn't want to read it.

I was reading some of them today and maybe I understand why. Mostly I wrote about how sad it was when she broke up with me back when we dated the first time, and how much I missed her. I guess reading them all might have made her feel sad about it or something. But hey, she had every right to leave and go her own way. I had no claim on her and wasn't able to judge her on her own merits free of JW interference back then. It's just sad that...well, never mind.

But yeah, that's about the only perk about being married to a JW.

--sd-7

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Sing Dirges to Jehovah?

by donny in

back in 1985 my then-wife and i were having a lunchtime "gathering" at our place to show some support to the ones in our congregation who were full-time pioneers.

i had just recently received the vinyl collection of the songs featured in the song book "sing praises to jehovah" which had been released the previous year.. .

many of these melodies sounded depressing to me although i would have never admitted it at the time.

sd-7

Great point. As a child, some of the songs actually made me cry because the music and lyrics were so sad. And we used to sing several songs before starting our Family Study. "Be Steadfast, Unmovable" was one that got me. And...was it "The Bible's Hope for Mankind"? That one that was all like "Dark days are here, man lives in fear" and so on. Goodness that was depressing.

"But the Bible tells us that soon there will be, resurrections that will not involve zombies. No it's not the same person, tech-ni-ca-lly, it's sort of like a clone with the same memories..."

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Moustaches vs. beards - one of the contributing factors to losing my cognitive dissonace

by Pacopoolio in

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as a little background - i was born-in to being a witness, back in '79, in detroit, in mostly black and poor congregations.

baptized when 10-ish, stayed around, was on the fast track to ms, but faded when i moved out at 24ish.. there was a combination of a few things that got me on the road to "freedom" from the cognitive dissonance that kept me "in the truth" for so long.

the main thing was, being an artist and studying marketing, my thinking was patterned to constantly question if i was doing something "correctly," as constant improvement and questioning is what facilitates artistic and mental growth.

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So when we're talking 'pedo-stache' here, are we talking like the Ron Burgundy moustache, or just all moustaches in general? I guess I never knew the outside world's trends on that.

Since getting out, I've tried all kinds of different things with my facial hair--the well-trimmed beard, the standard goatee, the Tony Stark goatee (with varying degrees of success in replicating the look, but when I succeeded, man, it looked awesome). I have yet to try going totally clean-shaven, mostly because even just having the moustache reminds me of the cult years. I usually just let it grow kinda wild and random and shave it down to a goatee when I get tired of looking at it. Or just trim the beard.

I was actually sifting through some old '60s Watchtowers and there was an article about whether or not Jesus had a beard. I have to say, this has got to be the only religion that actually cares about stuff like this enough to write a detailed article on whether or not Jesus had a beard. I guess when the older 'anointed' got to heaven, they insisted Jesus shave his beard so he could look 'presentable'.

That could be one reason why we're seeing the number of 'anointed' going up....they talked too much smack to Jesus and got axed for it.

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JW. org: "No, we are not a cult. We do not look to any human as our leader."

by Faithful Witness in

i know this has been rehashed, time and again, but i saw this interesting blip on jw.org last night, and did a little thinking about it.... jw.

org answers the important question that so many have... are jehovah's witnesses a cult?.

jehovah's witnesses do not look to any human as their leader.

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we pattern our worship after that of the first-century Christians

Who you pattern your worship after has nothing to do with whether or not you are a cult. Many cults say they pattern their worship after Jesus--or indeed that they're the only ones who do.

Jehovah's Witnesses do not look to any human as their leader. Rather, we adhere to the standard that Jesus set for his followers when he stated: "Your Leader is one, the Christ."

I'll just use their own words to put the lie to this one.

9/15/10 WT, p.23

In this time of the end, Christ has committed “all his belongings”— all the earthly interests of the Kingdom—to his “faithful and discreet slave” and its representative Governing Body, a group of anointed Christian men. (Matt. 24:45-47) The anointed and their other sheep companions recognize that by following the lead of the modern-day Governing Body, they are in fact following their Leader, Christ.

*** w94 2/15 p. 4 Cults—What Are They? ***

Their devotion to a self-proclaimed human leader is likely to be unconditional and exclusive. Often these leaders boast of having been divinely chosen or even of being themselves divine in nature.

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Some memorable quotes I dug up

by sd-7 in

cult members often isolate themselves from friends, family, and even society in general.

is that the case with jehovahs witnesses?

are the witnesses using deceptive and unethical techniques to recruit members?.

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March 15, 2012 WT, p. 15

The other sheep should never forget that to be saved, they need to support Christ’s anointed brothers who are still on earth.

p.19

The thousand years of Christ’s reign will result in great relief for humans! During that time, “the sons of God” will be revealed in another way. They will act as priests with Christ and help mankind to receive the benefits of his sacrifice.

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Some memorable quotes I dug up

by sd-7 in

cult members often isolate themselves from friends, family, and even society in general.

is that the case with jehovahs witnesses?

are the witnesses using deceptive and unethical techniques to recruit members?.

sd-7

Hopefully I didn't overdo it here, forgot there's the legal issue of quoting too much... Sorry. I guess I have to stop quoting now...

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Some memorable quotes I dug up

by sd-7 in

cult members often isolate themselves from friends, family, and even society in general.

is that the case with jehovahs witnesses?

are the witnesses using deceptive and unethical techniques to recruit members?.

sd-7

*** w60 8/1 pp. 479-480 Questions From Readers ***

How can Deuteronomy 24:16, which says, “Children should not be put to death on account of fathers,” be harmonized with the fact that the offspring of the adulterous relation between David and Bath-sheba died due to their sin, as shown in 2 Samuel 12:14?—J. B., U.S.A.

The law, as stated at Deuteronomy 24:16, shows that fathers were not to be put to death for their sons nor were sons to be put to death for their fathers. In man’s administration of justice each was to die for his own sin, and not drag innocent relatives down with him. In this particular case of David and Bath-sheba neither of them had a right to the child and so there was no injustice in their being deprived of it. Besides, as an uncircumcised, unnamed infant it had not as yet developed any personality pattern or consciousness so as to appreciate life. Then again, Bath-sheba could have been stoned to death for her adultery, in which case the unborn child would also have perished.