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  Essay by Barbara Anderson: "What's in a Name?"

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  whats in a name?

  posted on april 15, 2014 by barbara anderson http://watchtowerdocuments.org/whats-in-a-name/ .entry-meta-icons .entry-meta .

  .entry-header one morning at bethel in 1989, after the usual text discussion before breakfast, there was an announcement to the staff about the legalization of jehovahs witnesses in poland.

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  Remember, how "Read the Bible Daily" were the words found at the the top of one of one of the factory buildings only to be painted over and replaced with jw.org.

  Seriously?? That's news to me. Wow. I guess it could be argued that jw.org does have a Bible [of sorts] on the site, but...one would think that words like 'Read the Bible Daily' would be pretty immutable based on the supposed 'preaching the good news' thing and all... At most one would think they could just add jw.org somewhere below it or something...huh. Was there a thread about this when it happened? I shall have to look into it.

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  Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 04-13-2014 WT Study (HAIL JC)

  by blondie in

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  http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/w20140215/hail-christ-glorious-king/.

  http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com.

  united nations http://www.randytv.com/secret/unitednations.htm.

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  This article seems to remind me an awful lot of the outlandish sort of interpretations found in 'The Finished Mystery'. Taking a simple Psalm and attributing all these meanings that are nowhere implied in this chapter is par for the course for the WT.

  There's an interesting thinly veiled threat in this article. It sounds like they're implying that yeah, we, the authors of this article, will kill you if you do not obey us, and Jesus is going to give us the authority to do so. It says it right here in the Bible. You just wait till we get up to heaven. You'll see.

  The Warrior-King does not wage a war of conquest in order to occupy territories and subjugate peoples. He wages a righteous war with noble objectives. He rides “in the cause of truth and humility and righteousness.”

  Actually...he...kinda does wage a war of conquest in order to occupy territories and subjugate peoples. Did you...miss your own article?

  That was only the beginning of the King’s victorious ride. He must yet “complete his conquest.”

  "Conquest." That's what it says, paragraph 10, right? So it is a war of conquest. Did they have two different people writing this article?

  The carnage will be earth wide. Jeremiah’s prophecy foretells: “Those slain by Jehovah in that day will be from one end of the earth clear to the other end of the earth.”

  Yeah, so the people will be pretty darn subjugated, especially with most of them dead. So yeah, it's a war of conquest to permanently occupy the Earth and subjugate its people eternally to his dad's rulership. So...if you're trying to contrast a war of conquest, occupation of territory, and subjugation of people with a righteous war that has noble objectives, you just totally failed, because...it's pretty clear that what you're saying is that a war of conquest, occupation and subjugation is the same thing as a righteous war with noble objectives.

  So that's kind of interesting, actually. Unusual, but interesting.

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  Please explain God's wisdom in Judges19;22-30

  by jam in

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  the just of the account, two people enter a city and can not .

  find lodging.

  an old man invite them to stay with him (levite).. this is so weird, all the men of the city come to have sex with.

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  Dismissing servant--Mind officially blown. Interesting. If I ever get into a Bible research mood again, maybe I'll have to check that out.

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  Memorial Musings

  by undercover in

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  a few things noticed in last nights annual, jesus who?

  gathering:.

  1: only one scripture from the gospels was read or cited.

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  Our speaker used the illustration of a man getting strapped into the electric chair.. They have got the helmet on you, ready to flip the switch and here comes Jesus kicking down the door, takes you out of the chair, gets in himself and takes the punishment. That is what Jesus has done for us.

  LOL! Seriously?

  Our speaker kept mentioning that when Jesus said "this is my body/blood" he wasn't being literal like "some churches teach" like up until now, no one knew

  LOL! You guys are killin' me! This is great stuff.

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  Is There Anything About The Witnesses That You Like?

  by minimus in

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  anything??

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  That they provide the very tools with which they may be defeated. That, I like.

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  Are Seventh-Day Adventists a better Church to belong to than being a JW

  by jwfacts in

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  a lot of exjws need an answer to "where else to go?

  " and some people seem to need to belong to an organization.

  doing some research on answers.yahoo.com i noticed that both jws and mormons come in for a lot of criticism for being manipulative cults.

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  A lot of exJWs need an answer to "where else to go?" and some people seem to need to belong to an organization.

  Then they need to check their premises. If they're still asking that question, then they probably still haven't shaken the indoctrination of the WT. It was never meant to be about belonging to some specific group--that's what the WT wanted people to buy into. It was supposed to be about the relationship with Jesus and his Father.

  On the other hand, if one chooses to be involved with a group, well, best to learn about cults first and then do some research on any groups you're interested in. I can't see any good reason to go with Adventists, based on even a cursory perusal of their basic information. One can do good works without religion being involved, after all. And a religion that happens to do good works is not by definition necessarily honorable. Would the same people do the same works if there were no God involved? Important question, if you ask me.

  But really, is it that hard to find a group better than JWs? Probably not. I wouldn't recommend the SDAs just based on the belief system, it just sounds suspect to me. Whether or not there is any destructive influence being used on its members, I wouldn't know about that.

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  Children's comic about Lot and his family on jw.org

  by DuvanMuvan in

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  the comic (which you can find here) is pretty much everything i dislike about the wt.. if you've read it you'll see how they have added to/ taken away parts of the account to make it read how they would like you to read it.. in this version, lot's wife is a materialistic b*tch who got what she deserved and lot is a hero who stood up to the bad sodomite men.. no doubt you also saw all the wonderful images of people dying while fire and sulphur rained down from the skies.

  and who says the wt don't provide for the "young ones".

  the part about this that makes me really mad is that this stuff is aimed at children.

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  Yeah, I particularly appreciated the connect-the-dots-to-form-Lot's-wife-as-she-dies-horribly children's activity. That helps my kids develop a lack of regard for the deaths of their fellow humans. Makes the whole 'dispensation of existence' thing a lot easier for them, I find.

  The question that lingers on my mind is, so...how were they planning to explain to the resurrected Lot that they turned his wife's death into a connect-the-dots activity for children? I would imagine that would be considered pretty outrageous if someone did that regarding the death of any loved one. I seriously doubt Lot would've been just fine with it. That might explain why it was so easy to get him drunk later...

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  Please explain God's wisdom in Judges19;22-30

  by jam in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  the just of the account, two people enter a city and can not .

  find lodging.

  an old man invite them to stay with him (levite).. this is so weird, all the men of the city come to have sex with.

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  I don't see this story as related to God, per se. He didn't do the crimes against this woman, humans did. But most people apparently knew that was wrong, otherwise the resulting conflict wouldn't have happened, nor would it even have been written down as if it was important.

  It is no more or less evil than many of the other events recorded in various parts of the Bible. Murder, incest, more murder, more incest, genocide, rape, and so on. If we ask how it explains God's wisdom, I think we'd have to ask the same question of all the other various bloody accounts, wouldn't we?

  I would guess that the obvious parallel with the story of Lot and the men of Sodom might have been implied in the relating of this event in Judges, though. It seems very similar, and was perhaps suggesting that Israel had gotten as bad as Sodom once was since this act of violence could happen. In that, it could be argued, is the 'wisdom' you may be looking for. Perhaps this shocking tale could serve as a serious wake-up call for people to get back to behaving like decent people instead of vicious, sick animals who would do this to a woman. Presumably the Law code would have called for the death penalty for the entire lot of them, based on their intentions, which would be breaking and entering and gay rape, right? So...I'm pretty sure enforcement of the Law or belief in its value might have caused these fellows to not do that. That's the best I can glean from it.

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  Is it normal to feel you have betrayed your spouse when you learn TTATT?

  by BU2B in

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  i am trying to look at it from a believing mates perspective.

  they married you as a jw expecting you to continue as one.

  if you have kids, she enjoyed the stability of both spouses being united.. when you learn ttatt, you find out the wt is a dangerous mind control group and lies to its members and is hypocritical.

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  The key here is honesty. It would be understandable if a marriage mate became upset and felt betrayed if their other half had already come to know TTATT before the marriage but deliberately decided to go through with it anyway.

  Yeah, I agree with this. I would say that any attempts on my part to bring up TTATT were my attempts at honesty, but she ignored them and pretty much got me to agree to stay in the org, which I did. I wasn't even actually going to leave the JWs until she brought up the whole apostasy issue at the JC. From that point on, maintaining the aforementioned deal was off, for me.

  I think it seemed rather irrelevant at the time, given all the fornication that was going on then. By all logic, I figured we were both toast as far as 'da troof' was concerned anyway. Since she wasn't exactly acting like a JW herself, it didn't particularly make a difference. Really, both of us were living a lie as far as the JWs were concerned; it's just she got away with it and got a slap on the wrist from the elders, whereas I got grilled for a few hours and given the boot. So...if we really wanted to look at it honestly, I'd say we both betrayed each other, in my case.

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  4th Annual Memorial of Freedom

  by sd-7 in

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  dear false brothers and fellow servants of satan:.

  this is to inform you that the 4th annual memorial of freedom will be held next monday, april 14th, at sundown.

  please make arrangements to bring your own emblems--chocolate milk and pop tarts, or else some other food and beverage or "down, right strong punch" combo of your personal choice.

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  What about Ovaltine?

  Ovaltine has many more vitamins and minerals than most other syrups and chocolate powders. Some have wondered if this amounts to an excessive amount of nutrition or if perhaps the milk is no longer chocolate, but perhaps something more, such as a nutritional drink or milk-based energy drink, if Ovaltine is used. We should refrain from forcing our personal opinions upon others. Each must be convinced in his own mind as to whether or not Ovaltine is their personal powder of choice for the Memorial of Freedom.

  Your False Brother,

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