my jw in laws send us these types of emails every once in a while .
never is there any real personal correspondence from them and it irritates me.
i have sent emails back before critiquing the logic of some of their emails.. i will be sending a response to this latest one ,and i would appreciate some ideas .. i know many of you on this forum are so excellant with your words i would enjoy your input .. the first thing that came to my mind after i read the illustration was "i am so glad i am no longer on the endless tread mill of witness logic that has you running forever from scary imaginary spirit beings ".
How about tell them about the fable of the boy who cried wolf. When the real wolf came no one believed him.
My argument is that JS have cried "Armageddon" so many times with false dates, that no one believes them. If it ever did come and we all died, JW would be directly responsible as that they cried "armageddon" so many times no one believed them. This makes doing the preaching work completly pointless.
This is what I say when I get the story of no one listening to Noah.
Arte:)
i am fairly new on here.
i grew up as a jw but never got baptised.
i have distanced myself from jw teachings for at least 10 years.. recently i was reading dawkins "the god delusion".
Yes I can imagine that, reading allowed and one book says something different. haha. Now I need to find the bits in the blue evolution/ creation book that has changed so when bro comes round I can point that out to him.
I find the sneekyness of it really awful. If you have screwed up fair enough admit it, or write a new book. But changing the words to pretend no one will notice -ah! That is really dishonnest.
It seems they have screwed up on a lot of things. Yet I doubt I will be able to make family see that perhaps they were not guided by holy spirit after all. Thats what gets me they believe one blind prophesy after the next. Never question anything.
On reading both Dawkin's and the creation book, I am still no close to believing or not believing in God. God as a God to be worshiped, not a Deity that is.
Thanks for your comments, Arte:)
alright, with my last post it should be obvious i'm in conflict...if it's not, then yeah.. my boyfriend is not a witness.
he understands that witnesses can't marry or date non witnesses.
but i guess could say we've been stalling...looking for a solution a gray area to that black and white situation...but with time getting as it is...stalling doesn't work anymore.
If you try too hard he may convert for you without ever wanting to. Then he will be living a lye. If he did that and got DF a couple of years down the line, how would you feel? That would be very selfish.
How can you live life in terror? The first few years I left JW I did think that perhaps I they were right, the end is nigh. But I just ended up living every day as if it was the last. By that I mean just enjoying every moment of life. If you can not get over your beliefs that the end of the world is comming, then at least you need to make the most of this life. If you do that you will probably forget about armageddon and come to see it as a false prophesy that has been keeping subjects under control since the dawn of civilization.
Arte:)
alright, with my last post it should be obvious i'm in conflict...if it's not, then yeah.. my boyfriend is not a witness.
he understands that witnesses can't marry or date non witnesses.
but i guess could say we've been stalling...looking for a solution a gray area to that black and white situation...but with time getting as it is...stalling doesn't work anymore.
No, I do not think the internet is dangerous. You missunderstand. I and many of my friends have met people on the internet. I wasted 4 years of my life on a long distance relationship. When we finally got together we had fallen in love with a person we imagined and the reality did not fit the picture. I am not saying that is true in your case. But you should meet to find out one way or another. I think after 1 year that is not "jumping in".
Also I don't understand why you live life in fear. I grew up a witness but I do not believe the end is coming any time soon. Even if it did (yes I do have doubts at the back of my mind sometimes) I would not change what I have with my partner for anything.
Arte
alright, with my last post it should be obvious i'm in conflict...if it's not, then yeah.. my boyfriend is not a witness.
he understands that witnesses can't marry or date non witnesses.
but i guess could say we've been stalling...looking for a solution a gray area to that black and white situation...but with time getting as it is...stalling doesn't work anymore.
The first thing you need to do is meet this guy. Internet is great for introductions but can be dangerous as you need to build a real relationship rather than one based on fantasy.You might hate each other in real life. Or it might make things strong enough to accept people for who they are. You should not try and change him and he should accept your beliefs too. If you want to change them that is selfish and not true love.
Arte:)
i am fairly new on here.
i grew up as a jw but never got baptised.
i have distanced myself from jw teachings for at least 10 years.. recently i was reading dawkins "the god delusion".
The one first publised in 1984/1985
if we were to accept the bible's view, anyone having sex with someone other than their spouse would be considered "immoral".
do you still accept that point of view?.
The Bible has double standards. Look how many women King Solomon had. As such I do not see living with my partner without being married as sinfull. In this day and age, I consider a partner to be spouse. I wish my family would accept that and not keep pressuring me to get married. If we visit we have to stay in a B&B. Such fornicators that we are!
Cheating on a spouse is a very different matter. That is in my opinion immoral. What other people do is up to them.
Arte :)
i am fairly new on here.
i grew up as a jw but never got baptised.
i have distanced myself from jw teachings for at least 10 years.. recently i was reading dawkins "the god delusion".
HI there. I am fairly new on here. I grew up as a JW but never got baptised. I have distanced myself from JW teachings for at least 10 years.
Recently I was reading Dawkins "The God Delusion". When my JW Brother came to visit he saw what I was reading and I explained that I was questioning the existence of God. He asked if he could leave me the blue evolution/creation book. I had a read just out of curiosity.
Maybe it is just my memory, but it did not sound like the book I had read as a teenager. It looked the same and the pictures were the same, but it sounded different for some reason. Is it just my memory, or has some of it changed? Are JW's in a habit of rewording books?
The one that used to get me was the Revelation Book. Hysterical. I wouldn't mind having a read of that again just for a bit of light entertainment. Has this book been updated with "new light".
Note: I really need to get myself up top speed with all this new light business. I am 10 years out of date.
Cheers Arte
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does wt demand an act of wickedness to prove loyalty to the institution?.
is shunning a wicked act of revenge?.
I was never baptised so am lucky this is not an issue for me. But I am sure Jesus would never have treated people in this way. Also the shunning has such double standards - why are df person shunned but not people that have simply left. If you are going to (incorrectly) apply that scripture then what is good for one must be good for the other. Or would that be too complicated as there are so many people who left that they would find themselves shunning most of the people they know?
I had a friend who almost committed suicide through shunning. She was stupid enough to start smoking so was df. They were not interested in the reasons why. 4 years on she is still struggling to give up and struggling with depression. Rejected by everyone she knew. Her imediate family at least did not shun her even though she did not live with them. Should they be disfellowshiped too?
What a nice loving religion.
Arte
the drunk blows right through the stop sign.. the stoner sits and waits for it to turn green..
If you drive a car drunk in a 30 zone you get stopped for doing 50. You get confused cus you thought you were going really slow.
If you drive a car stoned in a 30 zone you get stopped fror driving 20. You get confused cus you think you was going really fast.
