Have a good study! Just know you can come here with any questions and get plenty of information to sort through! I know the excitement friendship and guidance you get with one-one studies with a mature JW! It just some on here warn of the involvement and what scarifies one makes when becoming a Jehovah's Witness. My sister is a pioneer (studying with others) and she is a good person and I feel will live a wonderful life (even it isn't quite what some expect a wonderful life to be). It's up to you to decide to be independent or dependant. Allot of people make a good life as a JW but some suffer badly by the flaws of man (governing body) lead man to their injury (guiding their conscience).
Butterflyleia85
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Are they really that bad???
by anonymous4 inhad a good look into the doctrine, beliefs and practices of jws and to be honest, i don't really see anything wrong with it at all.. it's biblical and i've had such an eye opener the past year or so reading some of their books and magazines .
is there really any real reasons why i shouldn't want to get involved further?
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Butterflyleia85
Hi Unstopableravens!
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Is the WTBTS having cash flow problems?
by JW GoneBad ini was at a 2 day circuit assembly this weekend and i was surprised at how many times mention was made directly or indirectly reminding those in attendance (1,600) of the need to give $$$.
even in the soliloquies or skits they seemed to work in the need to give $$$.. it made me wonder if the society is having 'cash flow' problems and hence is desparate for cash.
over the years that i've attended conventions and assemblies the need to give $$$ has been subtle (imo), til now.
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Butterflyleia85
OMG that's crazy! I havent' been to the convention for the past two or three years but man I don't remember Credit Cards being used... I remember they mentioned you could make out our checks to watchtower for donations and that we could use it on our taxes if it was more then a certain amount.
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What is the WT's Motivation? Who Benefits?
by InterestedOne inanother thing my jw friend says to me when i question the wt is, "what would their motivation be?
they're so humble and no-one gets paid except a basic living allowance for the workers at bethel.
they're not like those other rotten 'ministries' whose leaders get paid a lot of money, etc.".
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Butterflyleia85
I ask this many times myself and am glad I'm not alone on this one. This was a good topic, even though not clear very good points were made.
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Weak JW Commits Suicide, Elders Reluctantly Have a Memorial at the Kingdom Hall
by OnTheWayOut inso my mother calls me on thanksgiving thursday and tells me about a fellow in her kh that i knew quite well.
he grew a beard years ago and stopped field recruiting, but kept going to the kh several times a month as his wife was still active.
the elders never really tried to show concern for his depression, but always bugged him about the beard.
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Butterflyleia85
Aww that's so sad! I feel sorry for the man and the wife! It's a shame the elders hesitate to display love and consern for the members from their own hall regardless if they are inactive or active. But that is how it is with alot of JW... they judge and worry about how their actions will look to others rather then displaying a true Christ like attitude.
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Strange, Offensive , Weird Statements on DFing Offenses in Elders Manual
by flipper inyou really can't make this stuff up.
but an organization like the wt society bent on controlling virtually every aspect of the typical jehovah's witness life - would make this up to keep their control through the use of fear and guilt.
so- i thought i'd share what i thought was the strangest, most offensive, weird language dealing with what the wt society calls " disfellowshipping offenses " .
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Butterflyleia85
Depression- Duh despair and depression hits all Dfed people even when getting reinstated so what the heck they know about dealing carefully and compassionately. My elder’s sucked at this part.
Porneia- My thoughts exactly (how can you have your genitals manipulated without skin to skin contact)… but maybe they mean through the clothing if one rubs another person that’s porneia. Any kind of excitement between man and woman probably would be wrong to most JW. How boring and a way for JW to be even more secretive.
Rape- I remember when I was drinking and I was at home safe. A dating couple (not very strong JWs) stopped by with a worldly guy friend of theirs to watch movies… and hang out. Well we all were drinking accept one. I had way to many and that guy friend of theirs ended up sleeping me. Heck I wasn’t in my right mind! I admitted to that but I told the elders that he took advantage of the situation, and if they could have some sympathy… That it was a mistake and I would have never let it happen other wise. They had no sympathy since I was Dfed before and committed the same sin! At that moment I was thinking man why did I tell on myself this was not worth getting Dfed for the second time! And that was that I was Dfed. Not quite rape but surely something that took a man who had no respect for a woman and friends that allowed it to all happen! I am upset it all happened!
Opposite Sex- OMG I remember my gay guy friend and I were thinking about moving in together! That was a big no no. But he was gay, what was the harm. We never ever even considered doing it or had that kind of thinking toward each other, he was a girlfriend to me. We were both going to get DF for the first time for different reasons but both our families said this was no good to decide to move in with each other. So instead we had separate apartments and visited each other often because again we were both Dfed and Depressed. Well when the elder asked if I was hanging out with my gay friend I said well yeah. They said if I continue I will not be reinstated and that I need to quit associating with him. OMG he was depressed as far as claiming suicide I couldn’t just abandon him… his family were shunning him and I was all he had. It wasn’t fair!! He couldn’t afford professional help either. I ignored the elders for the most part and besides when I told my friend what my elders said it made him feel even more guilty and he abandon me thinking this was for the better for my situation (since I was about to get reinstated)… I still to this day try and keep in touch and hope his ok but I will never know.
Physically Unclean- OMG I never heard that someone could get Dfed for not being physically unclean… I wonder even if that’s possible. Lol I’m sure someone would go over the person’s house and help them before Dfment would happen.
Gluttony- Ok I don’t see this either. There is an extremely over weight guy at my old hall and he was never Dfed. As far as this being a thing of they have the right to DF… wow that really is a sucky rule because some have a medical problem, like bad thyroid, obesity in it’s self is a disease that needs medical care not DFment. Man they have Dfment for everything as the resolution to their problems! Instead of letting that person just live their lives and have moral support.
I just wonder how long elders wait on Dfing people or if they think we got to get this congregation clean now and DF them the next week! I feel that in most circumstances if they can’t solve the situation in a month they decide to DF. But most serious medical reasons are not taken to consideration like they should and just the situation so the person is Dfed before helped. (From my own experience) Yeah I get punishment is needed as far as someone doing wrong and going according to the need to pay for sins... well did they consider that the emotional abuse or self abuse was punishment enough... Some people just need help and to be listened too.
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Cross for early Christmas gift from Mother in law... eck
by Butterflyleia85 ini had a wonderful thanksgiving with my husband's family and we spent the night.
the next morning we had a good breakfast and decorated the tree.
and my mother in law (my husband's step mom, who i adore and love) gave out early christmas gifts... ornaments, and a wow wow huge christmas cross to hang on the wall!
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Butterflyleia85
Aww thanks everyone for your comment. I will do a little more research on the cross but already I do feel much better after you all explained how it's not worshiped just a symbol of love.
I would love to make her something... my husband has this christmas book i just found when I went through his boxes to decorate the house... it has awesome tips on how to make home made christmas gifts. :)
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Cross for early Christmas gift from Mother in law... eck
by Butterflyleia85 ini had a wonderful thanksgiving with my husband's family and we spent the night.
the next morning we had a good breakfast and decorated the tree.
and my mother in law (my husband's step mom, who i adore and love) gave out early christmas gifts... ornaments, and a wow wow huge christmas cross to hang on the wall!
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Butterflyleia85
Aww really!?! She is really the most kindest lady I have ever met, so sweet and just such loving character... Wow well I'm so happy she feels that way if that's true... 'greatest and ultimate expression of love... really!?! I just am so happy now! Man I hope I reacted better then I felt. I felt kinda weird like a sharp nerve down my spin.. like I'm doing something wrong by excepting this... but I couldn't refuse heck I trying to learn these whole christmas thing. lol
But now I really want to do something special for her... she is really religious. What do Christians that aren't JW do in showing apressiation??
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Todays WT study illustration of Jesus doing away Capitol Hill and Obama - a statement of the WTS?
by Gorbatchov ini attended the todays wt study and got notice of the illustration of jesus doing away capitol hill and barack obama.. i think the illustration passed the juridical advisors of the wts, having a blackout!
of are they trying to reach the anti government people like the tea party idiots with this kind of propaganda illustrations?.
is this a signal that the wts is anti democrats, anti obama?.
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Butterflyleia85
Hahaha Outlaw you crack me up!!
I think he now has white hair cause they want him to look WISER then usual! lol It's an upgrade.
Or maybe for the christmas season they want him to look more like santa! lol jk
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Gift idea for ex-JWs
by bluecanary ini just found this while look at sweatshirts for atheists:.
i would want it if i wouldn't have to explain it to everybody.
you can also get it on a mug or a thermos..
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Butterflyleia85
lol that's so cool! ha I'd just say it's my favorite team!! Go x JW! lol